Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 76934 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2006 10:12:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 10:12:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 46148 invoked by uid 500); 10 Apr 2006 10:12:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 45711 invoked by uid 500); 10 Apr 2006 10:12:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 45699 invoked by uid 99); 10 Apr 2006 10:12:01 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:12:00 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of james.strachan@gmail.com designates 66.249.92.168 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.249.92.168] (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.168) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:12:00 -0700 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u2so530383uge for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:11:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FGmaCOxITknmQ11Bq4r+lJh97eioF33RRSrCAIVfCHBalkLaHxgB/IrtF4kQEPlYFYOTtmgPNiSvTBi0eimM3jMgLQ3AKUFta4RaT3skS9q1ivuGD/o1jWiOvO2SOQPkO81uC0fLzdAZxQayHPLzYtAEVebeg9b7WYX0MMPTvsg= Received: by 10.78.58.11 with SMTP id g11mr167354hua; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.27.13 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:11:38 +0100 From: "James Strachan" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Getting the Incubator PMC to be more responsive (Re: [VOTE] Incubator PMC to approve the 4.0-RC2 release of ActiveMQ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On 4/10/06, Leo Simons wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 10:44:45AM +0100, James Strachan wrote: > > Just a reminder to the Incubator-PMC - could you please vote to > > approve this release. We had 5 votes from the Geronimo PMC within 24 > > hours of calling the vote and so far after 4 days we've just had one > > vote from the Incubator PMC (excluding myself who's in all camps). > > > > Given the inactivity of the Incubator-PMC on the ActiveMQ project > > (previous releases were met with similar levels vigourous support ;-) > > The apparent inability of the incubator PMC to vote sucks and is a furthe= r > indicator something is wrong Agreed > but nevertheless I'm not going to +1 (or -1) > releases I haven't investigated in detail myself, so +0 from me. At least you voted - many thanks :) > > and given the activity of the Geronimo PMC in the project, maybe its > > time to consider graduating ActiveMQ? > > I think the inability of the incubator PMC to fulfill its duties should > not be an argument for or against graduation of a project under > incubation. Some problems should not be routed around. They should be > fixed. OK. So how about we broaden membership of the Incubator PMC to include anyone interested from another PMC (rather than just Apache Members only)? Or that members of the sponsoring PMC can be included as binding voters in the approval process of podling releases from the incubator? Then at least if the Incubator PMC are too busy to get involved on a particular project, folks from the sponsoring PMC can on their behalf. Either way the effect would be the same; allowing folks who are actually interested in a podling being able to approve its releases; with the Incubator PMC members still having a -1 if there is anything about the release they are unhappy with. -- James ------- http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org