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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: Getting the Incubator PMC to be more responsive
Date Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:29:02 GMT
Gav.... wrote:
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Leo Simons [mailto:mail@leosimons.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 10 April 2006 9:54 PM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Getting the Incubator PMC to be more responsive
>>
>> Still thinking about this...
>>
>> ...just wanted to note that the incubator PMC is responsive for some stuff
>> but not for other stuff. For example
>>
>>  * when you raise a generic issue like this you get an answer
>>    or some kind of feedback within a few hours or at most a few days.
>>
>>  * simpler questions of a FAQ level or the like are usually also answered
>>    and usually also answered quickly
>>
>>  * for some votes, responses are swift, in abundance, and quite positive
>>    (consider the recent vote to graduate jackrabbit)
>>
>> But apparently this is the second time that a
>> please-approve-release-for-activemq vote is left dangling. I don't know
>> exactly what is going on, but its different from "general
>> unresponsiveness".
>>
>> I know *I* decided a few weeks ago not to spend any more time at any
>> intersection between the wider geronimo community and the incubation stuff
>> because its become obvious that my opinion on a variety of stuff doesn't
>> mesh well with the apparent consensus within that community. I haven't
>> gone so far as to set up an actual ignore filter on
>> (activemq|wadi|servicemix|...) but I might as well have. I read your
>> message
>> sort-of by accident.
> 
> Your opinion may not mesh well at the moment, but it needs to be continued
> to be heard I would have thought. And your vote is valued as is everyone
> elses. If someone raises a vote should it not be compulsory to vote on it in
> some kind of way?

Well, do that and watch the entire PMC unsubscribe.

>> Maybe other incubator pmc members have a similar mail-reading behaviour.
> 
> This surely is unacceptable behaviour. Why else is the Incubator PMC here
> but to sort out EVERY Incubator related Issue. Blocking some issues whilst
> being active in only what you find interesting is not good is it.

It is perfectly acceptable behaviour in a volunteer organisation. I
would not commit to read everything on the Incubator General list. I
simply cannot, and certainly cannot engage with or understand the wide
range of projects that are currently under incubation.

The ActiveMQ project could try to understand more what Leo's issues are,
or could try to seek additional PMC members' interest in the ActiveMQ
project, as onlookers or mentors. If they had three mentors, it would be
relatively easy to get the required three +1 votes from PMC members.

Regards, Upayavira

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