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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:05:37 -0800
From: "Garrett Rooney" <rooneg@electricjellyfish.net>
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On 3/15/06, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:

> Do these really have to be "Apache" credits accumulated?  Let's do a
> hypothetical situation.  Let's say that some guy puts in a few years of
> his life into a CodeHaus project.  Then, he has a kid.  At that time the
> project moves to ASF and he's MIA.  Is it fair that he doesn't get
> commit karma when it graduates?  IMO, no, it is not fair.  Is it fair
> that he does not make it into the project PMC?  Yes, it is fair, IMO.
>
> Not providing commit karma seems to be a bit like forced retirement
> because of inactivity.  Something that ASF frowns upon.
>
> Let's do another scenario.  Someone works very long and hard on one
> component of the project.  That component becomes very mature and rock
> solid so, we really don't hear from him very often.  Is it fair that he
> doesn't get commit karma when it graduates?  IMO, no, it is not fair.
> Is it fair that he does not make it into the project PMC?  Yes, it is
> fair, IMO.
>
> Not providing commit karma seems to be a bit like forced retirement
> because he completed the task that he set out to do.

This isn't from an ASF project, but I think it's relevant.  In the
subversion project we've got a number of people who have full commit
access, something around 30 at this point.  Not all of them are active
at any given time (heck, most of them aren't active at any given time
for that matter), but having them out there with commit rights is
still valuable, because it means the barrier is lowered for that day
somewhere down the road when they find some bug, dig into the code and
fix it, and want to commit the patch.  Making it more difficult for
experienced developers to come back to the project and contribute
seems like a bad thing to me.

Now on the other hand there's the argument that if they come back some
day and express interest in committing something we could set them up
with commit access then, but let's be fair, getting all the paperwork
settled takes time, and if they want to do that now and make it that
much easier when they do find the time for the project, what's the
real harm?  If the community around the project has truly learned how
to work in the way apache projects tend to work, I'm sure they'll be
able to teach these dormant committers what they need to know on the
fly as they come back.

-garrett

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