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Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 3/15/06, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Do these really have to be "Apache" credits accumulated?  Let's do a
>> hypothetical situation.  Let's say that some guy puts in a few years of
>> his life into a CodeHaus project.  Then, he has a kid.  At that time the
>> project moves to ASF and he's MIA.  Is it fair that he doesn't get
>> commit karma when it graduates?  IMO, no, it is not fair.  Is it fair
>> that he does not make it into the project PMC?  Yes, it is fair, IMO.
>>
>> Not providing commit karma seems to be a bit like forced retirement
>> because of inactivity.  Something that ASF frowns upon.
>>
>> Let's do another scenario.  Someone works very long and hard on one
>> component of the project.  That component becomes very mature and rock
>> solid so, we really don't hear from him very often.  Is it fair that he
>> doesn't get commit karma when it graduates?  IMO, no, it is not fair.
>> Is it fair that he does not make it into the project PMC?  Yes, it is
>> fair, IMO.
>>
>> Not providing commit karma seems to be a bit like forced retirement
>> because he completed the task that he set out to do.
>>     
I agree with Alan that it is only fair that significant contributions 
prior to incubation should be recognized. 

IMO, only active participants during incubation should be invited to an 
existing project's PMC when graduating.

For those that are offered commit access it should be explained that 
commit access is a privilege, not a right and they should be pointed to 
the community rules.

I like Ken's words on the "commit access is a privilege, not a right" 
topic in the last two paragraphs of the following mail in 2002:

    http://marc2.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=104217311311925&w=4

What do we have to lose giving past contributors commit access 
considering the ability to veto commits or as a last resort have their 
commit access suspended or revoked if they don't respect the 
community/rules?

I agree that keeping the barrier low to past contributors as Garrett 
says below is beneficial to the project.

John
> This isn't from an ASF project, but I think it's relevant.  In the
> subversion project we've got a number of people who have full commit
> access, something around 30 at this point.  Not all of them are active
> at any given time (heck, most of them aren't active at any given time
> for that matter), but having them out there with commit rights is
> still valuable, because it means the barrier is lowered for that day
> somewhere down the road when they find some bug, dig into the code and
> fix it, and want to commit the patch.  Making it more difficult for
> experienced developers to come back to the project and contribute
> seems like a bad thing to me.
>
> Now on the other hand there's the argument that if they come back some
> day and express interest in committing something we could set them up
> with commit access then, but let's be fair, getting all the paperwork
> settled takes time, and if they want to do that now and make it that
> much easier when they do find the time for the project, what's the
> real harm?  If the community around the project has truly learned how
> to work in the way apache projects tend to work, I'm sure they'll be
> able to teach these dormant committers what they need to know on the
> fly as they come back.
>   

> -garrett
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