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From "robert burrell donkin" <>
Subject Re: Status of ADF Faces Incubation Request
Date Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:22:58 GMT
On 3/9/06, Jean T. Anderson <> wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Craig McClanahan wrote:
> >
> >>My understanding of the incubator process is that the Incubator PMC still
> >>has to vote to accept a podling
> >
> > No.  Although some people have expressed a desire that it be otherwise, at
> > this time, the Incubator PMC does not second-guess another PMC's decision to
> > bring a project to the Incubator.  The Incubator PMC does have the sole
> > binding vote on projects graduating from the Incubator.
> >
> > FWIW, we've recently had some fairly lengthy threads discussing the topic.
> The wording in
> could be improved, specifically these sentences:


see observations inline

> > Upon a successful result, the Sponsor SHOULD request the Incubator PMC take on the
Candidate as a new Podling.
> > ...
> > The Incubator PMC MAY immediately accept the Candidate, or may (at the discretion
of the Incubator PMC) require a successful VOTE by the Incubator PMC.

this process is likely to lead to confusion: it's not clear how the
pmc can collectively express an opinion without having a vote.

perhaps this should be some form of lazy consensus (3 +1's from
pmc'ers to go ahead, -1 forces a formal VOTE)

or perhaps the chair could accept a candidate or propose a formal VOTE

> > The nominated Mentors MAY be immediately accepted by the Incubator PMC. > However
the Incubator PMC MAY also suggest replacement Mentors. The Incubator PMC has the final choice
of Mentors.

this does seem a little difficult...

the last sentence implies the first two.

it also reads as though it's an active process though no procedure is

replacing members who have stepped up to be mentors feels a little

not sure how this relates with the material above: it probably makes
more sense to streamline the process and include the initial approval
of mentors as part of the pmc approval for the podling. ISTM that many
members consider the mentors as one of the metrics under consideration
when they indicate acceptance or rejection.

perhaps better to have a section stating that the mentors for a
podling may change during incubation either through resignation,
promotion or be removed by a vote of the incubator pmc and that pmc
approval (lazy concensus?) should approve these changes.

> How should this be changed? (And I'll be happy to update the docs.)

a good question, well asked :)

- robert

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