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From "James Strachan" <james.strac...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Preventing exclusionary practices in Incubating projects
Date Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:30:22 GMT
On 3/16/06, Noel J. Bergman <noel@devtech.com> wrote:
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> > James Strachan wrote:
> > > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > > I know for a fact that WADI, ActiveIO and Trifork guys have
> > > > been talking about coming up with a single framework for IO.
> > > > James hinted in a prev message and there have been some
> > > > references in emails on dev@geronimo list[1] and no traffic on
> > > > activemq list (as far as i can tell)
> > >
> > > Thats kinda the point - as up to now most of this code has not
> > > been part of Geronimo and so wouldn't have been discussed on the
> > > Geronimo lists.
>
> But what about on the ActiveMQ list?

The point is, its a cross project thing; getting together folks from
ActiveMQ, OpenEJB, WADI and Geronimo; so these kinds of code
consolidation discussions are probably best on Geronimo. e.g. there's
no point talking about OpenEJB on ActiveMQ's list.

> > > Once all the code has made it to the incubator, then we can start
> > > discussing this on the Geronimo list
>
> What code is remaining,

OpenEJB still isn't here yet; I'm not sure if the incuabtion of WADI
is quite ready either.


> and what would the Geronimo list have to do with
> discussion on these incubator project lists?

Its more we've got some cross-project consolidation thats needed. e.g.
see the distributed session state discussions on geronimo; which
affect Jetty, Tomcat, WADI, OpenEJB, ServiceMix. IO is a similar cross
cutting concern.


> > > there's lots of things we could do to consodiate code within the
> > > Geronimo family of projects - once they are all at Geronimo.
>
> You mean the ASF family of projects, and once they are all at the ASF?

Yes; slip of the tongue :)

Its more that the Geronimo list is the best place to have these
wide-ranging cross-project discussions; given that we're all faced
with similar concerns and all ultimately integrate into the same
container.


> > I tried to facilitate discussions between the various ASF java
> > projects.  There were some interesting ad hoc discussions w/
> > Geronimo, Trifork, WADI, ActiveIO, and Directory people.
>
> Yes, ActiveIO and MINA appear to have overlap that could consolidate, and
> there seemed to be some sense amongst participants that a best of breed
> could come from both, where each had something to contribute that improved
> on the other.  Not a drop-in fit, but potentially a very worthwhile
> investigation.

Agreed.

> The discussions that started at ApacheCon do not seem to have transited to
> our mailing lists, e.g., activemq-dev or mina-dev.

As I said; once all the code is at apache, we can discuss at length on
Geronimo lists, where folks from WADI, OpenEBJ, Jetty, Tomcat,
ActiveMQ & ServiceMix hang out; we should invite the MINA folks to the
party too - then lets see where it goes from there.

--

James
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