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From "Hiram Chirino" <>
Subject Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports
Date Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:28:40 GMT
Hi Noel,

If the ActiveMQ / ServiceMix community do decide to go under some
other TLP,  I'm sure it would not take long for the active
participants of the community to asked to Join the TLP's PMC.  It
would behoove that PMC to include such active community participants
in the decision making proccess.

Furthermore, I believe that merging ActiveMQ and Servicemix into
Geronimo community and PMC is easier than most cases since there are
all ready several active ActiveMQ/ServiceMix commiters thar are
Geronimo PMC members.  Those PMC memebers can help propose and vouch
for additional commiters to join the PMC.


On 3/15/06, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Ken wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > Considering that both ActiveMQ and ServiceMix really ought to be
> > > targeting TLP status, learning to do this is important.
> > That's a bit much, Noel.  Where they end up is primarily
> > their own concern -- and not determined until graduation
> > anyway.
> Sorry for conflating two messages.  And I'll rephrase.
> I would still consider it to be an important issue, unless it is believed
> that project members are either not going to become PMC members in the
> destination, or are going to learn participating on a PMC means only when
> they get there.
> Regardless of where the project ends up, I don't believe that it would be
> fair to bring communities into the ASF, and then disenfranchise them from
> their project by not giving them binding votes.  That is required during
> incubation, but should not be the case afterwards.  So preparing and
> empowering the new community by teaching it ASF procedures during the
> process of incubation is important to me.
> Does that make more sense now?
>         --- Noel
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