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From "James Carman" <>
Subject RE: Thoughts on Umbrellas, Federations, and Communication
Date Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:40:38 GMT
I think that introducing ontology into the mailing lists would be a good
idea.  It'd be nice to know, for instance, that there is an O/R mapping
project (or two as it seems: JPA and Cayenne) being added to the incubator
if I'm an Apache DB committer.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Noel J. Bergman [] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Thoughts on Umbrellas, Federations, and Communication

Daniel John Debrunner wrote:

> robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > the only caveat being DB is feeling a little bit umbrella-ish these

> I've seen this comment a couple of times in the last week or so, but I
> don't really understand what it's trying to say.

> What makes an Apache project "umbrella-ish"?

ASF projects are supposed to be about a community managing a project.  So
the warning signs include large disjoint communities, e.g., Jakarta, the old
XML project (which, itself, was a Jakarta spin-off), etc.

So, good project boundaries are considered to be administrative, rather than
ontological.  On the other hand, there are good reasons for considering
ontological domains.  And as we disband umbrella projects, we have been
communication within ontological domains that cross the administative (TLP)

One of thing things that the we need to look at is how to improve
communication across projects.  Perhaps having some ontological mailing
lists would be part of a solution.

What ideas and views do others have?

	--- Noel

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