Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 3285 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2006 18:11:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 18 Feb 2006 18:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 90475 invoked by uid 500); 18 Feb 2006 18:11:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 90279 invoked by uid 500); 18 Feb 2006 18:11:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 90259 invoked by uid 99); 18 Feb 2006 18:11:24 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:11:23 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_HEADERS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [72.10.34.3] (HELO ss53.shared.server-system.net) (72.10.34.3) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:11:23 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-67-169-131-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.169.131.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by ss53.shared.server-system.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1IIAnna013524; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:11:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43F76325.5080707@toolazydogs.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:10:45 -0800 From: "Alan D. Cabrera" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: general@incubator.apache.org, ode-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Ode proposal References: <43F6270C.9020606@toolazydogs.com> <1140235977.25299.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1140235977.25299.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030305050906080103070208" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --------------030305050906080103070208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/17/2006 8:12 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 11:42 -0800, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > >>One thing that should be resolved as soon as possible is how we will >>bring in new members. At the moment there are 17 proposed new >>committers for a total of 37 committers. I think that this list might >>rival that of Geronimo in terms of size; it seems excessive. I propose >>that people are brought in using the standard method of submitting patches. >> >> > >-1 .. given that only a handful of the 37 committers (from Sybase and >Intalio) have touched that code, I see one of two possible paths: > >- start with *just* those people as committers >- start with everyone who wants to be a committer at this stage as >committers > >The latter has been the traditional starting point for incubating >projects. What you're proposing is some weird middlepoint which biases >towards the few who signed up in the first few days/whatever. IMO that's >not a good model! > > OT: I dislike the current trend of people using +1, -1, for simple conversations. It confuses people and should be reserved for votes. With that said, I disagree with your proposal Sanjiva. It has been my experience that on occasion corporate people who are listed w/ a donation frequently do little or nothing to build the community or the product. Sometimes, corporations see a donation as a quick and easy means to get their people ASF committer karma. I trust the mentors on this project. I trust the Incubator PMC that is ultimately charged with the oversight of this project. In a few days, the the ranks of the commitership will be filled with active developers. Regards, Alan Regards, Alan --------------030305050906080103070208--