From general-return-7829-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Feb 14 19:39:44 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 4934 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 19:39:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 19:39:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 45794 invoked by uid 500); 14 Feb 2006 19:39:38 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 45637 invoked by uid 500); 14 Feb 2006 19:39:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 45542 invoked by uid 99); 14 Feb 2006 19:39:37 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:39:37 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=10.0 tests=PLING_PLING,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: 64.74.244.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of geir@pobox.com) Received: from [64.74.244.71] (HELO chi.mobile-health-diary.com) (64.74.244.71) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:39:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 11843 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 19:39:11 -0000 Received: from ool-43560634.dyn.optonline.net (HELO ?192.168.2.4?) (geir@67.86.6.52) by b014.internal.mobile-health-diary.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 19:39:11 -0000 Message-ID: <43F231BB.9050304@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:38:35 -0500 From: Geir Magnusson Jr Reply-To: geir@pobox.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org CC: dev@geronimo.apache.org, dims@apache.org Subject: Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project) References: <19e0530f0602031352o5dad91cfk8814b6a41a329b2d@mail.gmail.com> <19e0530f0602031605g2c017a32s2c168ca0bb48780f@mail.gmail.com> <43F22179.4070401@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Bill Flood wrote: > Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they had > and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator > project. > > We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be any > uptake although both committers said they were happy to have us come in and > provide coding help on what they already had. I don't really know. I wasn't part of that conversation, although I did have a few discussions w/ people after this all started. I expect that what you just said might have been the problem. They already had a BPEL engine, and it sounds like you were suggesting they stop and reboot on your codebase. After all, they have some users and wouldn't want to just drop them. > I was a little mystified. > Jumping in and bringing their stuff up to where we already were seemed > counter productive given the large gap in code maturity and capability so we > passed. > > Based on the support we have seen for our contribution from others in Apache > thus far, I have to believe that our impression wasn't just the result of > our inherent subjectivity > > I believe we did approach them in good faith and I'm not sure why there was > disinterest in our offer via Agila but here we are. We left the previous > conversation on good terms. At this point, my preference would be that the > Agila folks look at the contribution and see if they want to become part of > that larger community for this new baseline. To me, it's not about > ownership, it's about critical mass in the community to carry something > forward. How about making a fresh start then... If the Agila people are interested, put out a call for any and all other implementations of BPEL that might be donated and build a larger community, mixing the best of anything that is donated to get the best BPEL engine and community we can? In the same way that we built Geronimo from "best of breed" J2EE-ish OSS projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with BPEL. Maybe do a "bake off" to help find the best codebase, and have the community collaborate around that? (I'm not sure what that would entail, actually...) Would you be interested in that? geir --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org