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From Bill Flood <bill.f.fl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project)
Date Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:56:12 GMT
I'm open to what works best.  I think the proposal for Ode is in essence a
fresh starting point for a community.  Sybase just happened to submit some
code, which may or may not be accepted and that we thought was passable.  In
the end, the community has the last say so we welcome that type of open
discussion.

On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Bill Flood wrote:
> > Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue.  We looked at what they
> had
> > and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator
> > project.
> >
> > We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be
> any
> > uptake although both committers said they were happy to have us come in
> and
> > provide coding help on what they already had.
>
> I don't really know.  I wasn't part of that conversation, although I did
> have a few discussions w/ people after this all started.
>
> I expect that what you just said might have been the problem.  They
> already had a BPEL engine, and it sounds like you were suggesting they
> stop and reboot on your codebase.  After all, they have some users and
> wouldn't want to just drop them.
>
> > I was a little mystified.
> > Jumping in and bringing their stuff up to where we already were seemed
> > counter productive given the large gap in code maturity and capability
> so we
> > passed.
> >
> > Based on the support we have seen for our contribution from others in
> Apache
> > thus far, I have to believe that our impression wasn't just the result
> of
> > our inherent subjectivity
> >
> > I believe we did approach them in good faith and I'm not sure why there
> was
> > disinterest in our offer via Agila but here we are.  We left the
> previous
> > conversation on good terms.  At this point, my preference would be that
> the
> > Agila folks look at the contribution and see if they want to become part
> of
> > that larger community for this new baseline.  To me, it's not about
> > ownership, it's about critical mass in the community to carry something
> > forward.
>
> How about making a fresh start then...  If the Agila people are
> interested, put out a call for any and all other implementations of BPEL
> that might be donated and build a larger community, mixing the best of
> anything that is donated to get the best BPEL engine and community we can?
>
> In the same way that we built Geronimo from "best of breed" J2EE-ish OSS
> projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with
> BPEL.
>
> Maybe do a "bake off" to help find the best codebase, and have the
> community collaborate around that?  (I'm not sure what that would
> entail, actually...)
>
> Would you be interested in that?
>
> geir
>
>
>

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