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From Bill Flood <bill.f.fl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project)
Date Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:54:46 GMT
Hi Matthieu, good to hear from you.  At this point, it might be worth
determining what you think the starting point is for building a strong
implementation.  If it is in the Sybase contribution, we could start with a
new project and integrate any additional value from Agila towards that so
that you don't lose anything.

On 2/4/06, Matthieu Riou <matthieu.riou@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I just want to clarify that we (myself and Chris Lim) were not against
> your contribution in Agila at all, we just wanted to make sure that
> the code remained open to others' code contributions as well. We
> wanted to keep the project open and collaborate with you without
> ditching the existing code that might have some good things in it too
> and eventually accept other pieces of work.
>
> I think we were more in the prospect of building a strong
> implementation by assembling good pieces than integrating one out of
> the box. I apologize if this is the source of the current
> "controversy".
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matthieu.
>
> On 2/3/06, Bill Flood <bill.f.flood@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dims, I'll take Cory off the hook since he was acting in good faith on
> > behalf of Sybase :-).
> >
> > As we are learning, there are a variety of ways to work within the
> Apache
> > process as long as the community is supportive.  From the Sybase
> > perspective, we are interested in working with a vibrant community in a
> > meaningful way that balances the needs of the community with that of our
> > own.
> >
> > when we first started thinking about the open source path, we looked at
> > Agila and communicated with the developers.  While the Agila developers
> were
> > quite helpful, the project was not open to our contribution and our
> > assessment was that their existing code line would take substantial work
> to
> > bring it up to where we thought we already were.
> >
> > When we looked at ServiceMix, we found a mature community that not only
> > appeared open to a contribution such as ours but one which would help us
> > establish a good affinity with the ESB.  The Sybase folks working on
> this
> > code line will continue to vigorously support the orchestration
> component
> > and provide help in adjacent areas related to SCA.
> >
> > At this point, we feel comfortable in our contribution to the ServiceMix
> > project based on the positive uptake.  Under the rules of meritocracy,
> we
> > will work to ensure that the interfaces remain clean and the build
> granular
> > enough to be reused and hope to work with you in the future.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > >  -------Original Message-------
> > >  From: Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com >
> > >  Subject: Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a
> business
> > process engine into the ServiceMix project)
> > >  Sent: 02 Feb '06 21:12
> > >
> > >  Cory,
> > >
> > >  Could you please get James' help and draft a complete proposal?
> > >
> > >  Please see
> >
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=incubator+proposal+site%3Awiki.apache.org&btnG=Search
> > >  for a list of proposals, their format and their content.
> > >
> > >  Once the proposal is ready, please post it to general@incubator.
> Also,
> > >  please take a peek at the documentation on the
> > >  http://incubator.apache.org/ site especially w.r.t to the incubation
> > >  process, what to expect and steps involved.
> > >
> > >  thanks,
> > >  dims
> > >
> > >  On 2/2/06, cory < cory.harper@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  > Hi,
> > >  >
> > >  > BPEL 1.1 is supported.  The code works with Axis 1.3.
> > >  >
> > >  > Sybase wants this code to be successful within the community and is
> > >  > going to work to support it.
> > >  >
> > >  > Cheers,
> > >  >
> > >  > -cory
> > >  >
> > >  > On 2/2/06, Davanum Srinivas < davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  > > Folks,
> > >  > >
> > >  > > There is no proposal, there is just a zip, unless someone is a
> > >  > > clairvoyant, we can't figure out things like. *PLEASE* CC
> > >  > > general@incubator.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > - Which specific version of the spec is implemented?
> > >  > > - Where are the list of known issues?
> > >  > > - Where is the TODO list?
> > >  > > - Why is Axis version 1.2 RC1 (and not even Axis 1.2 final even
> if we
> > >  > > forget that the current version is Axis 1.3)
> > >  > > - Is there any relation to workflow?
> > >  > > - Is there no opportunity for interaction with our Existing
> > incubation
> > >  > > project Agila?
> > >  > > - Are there people from sybase who will be working?
> > >  > > - Geronimo is becoming an umbrella rapidly and now ServiceMix
> wants
> > to
> > >  > > be one too?
> > >  > > - Why are people talking as though the code is FINAL
> > >  > >   (Quoting greg - "there is no need to develope a community
> around
> > this code")
> > >  > >   (Quoting Rob - "If you've looked at the proposed donated code,
> this
> >
> > >  > > BPEL engine is complete, I can't see any sense in combining it
> with
> > >  > > something else ?" )
> > >  > > - Do *ANY* of the existing servicemix committers know this code
> > inside out?
> > >  > > - If people are not going to touch this contrib code with a barge
> > pole
> > >  > > then why should it be accepted?
> > >  > >
> > >  > > thanks,
> > >  > > dims
> > >  > >
> > >  > > On 2/2/06, James Strachan <james.strachan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  > > > We have received the generous donation of a complete and
> working
> > BPE
> > >  > > > engine to the ServiceMix project...
> > >  > > >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/
> > >  > > > 200602.mbox/%
> > >  > > > 3cf94cbdb00602011120t68cfb561necc044dbc488645a@mail.gmail.com
> %3e
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & complete
the
> > >  > > > necessary software grants & IP clearance and to work with
us on
> > >  > > > integrating it into ServiceMix.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > For those of you maybe not aware; ServiceMIx is an ESB project
> > >  > > > defined around JBI (JSR 208) the JCP standard API to
> integration
> > >  > > > components along with being the standard container model for
a
> BPE.
> >
> > >  > > > ServiceMix already has the JBI container and has a suite of
JBI
> > >  > > > integration components already for smart routing,
> transformation,
> > >  > > > rules, scripting, auditing etc...
> > >  > > > http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/Components
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > So it makes complete sense to add a BPE to that component
> suite.
> > Note
> > >  > > > that since ServiceMix already has integration components to
> Apache
> > >  > > > Axis and Apache Tuscany, the integration of the BPE with
> ServiceMix
> >
> > >  > > > should benefit those projects too (with Apache Synapse possibly
> too
> > >  > > > via the Axis integration - though we need to work on that one
a
> > bit).
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > Also having a BPE fully integrated into Geronimo via the JBI
> > >  > > > container would mean that we could start to orchestrate pretty
> much
> > >  > > > everything in the Geronimo stack! I'm certainly very excited
by
> > this
> > >  > > > move...
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > [ ] +1 accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator
> project
> > >  > > > [ ] 0  don't mind either way
> > >  > > > [ ] -1 I object because: .......
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > Here's my +1
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > James
> > >  > > > -------
> > >  > > > http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > --
> > >  > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> > >  > >
> > >  >
> > >
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> > >
> >
> >
>
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