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From Aaron Mulder <ammul...@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject Re: BPEL contribution from Sybase
Date Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:00:28 GMT
I agree with Dain; let's get the code running in ServiceMix, and then
we can break it off when it's ready to stand alone.

Thanks,
    Aaron

On 2/13/06, Dain Sundstrom <dain@iq80.com> wrote:
> I think ServiceMix is the perfect home for a BPEL engine.  Every JBI
> implementation that I am aware of has and integrated orchestration
> engine exposed via the BPEL specification.  I am not worried about
> "barriers" to any committers,  "accidental too-tight binding" or
> "UNrelated" mail on mailing lists.  All of these issues are worked
> out every day on mailing lists at Apache. I am much more worried
> about this donation falling into Apache politics that result in a
> sausage project that no one wants to eat.
>
> Sybase wants to donate to the service-mix community and the
> ServiceMix community wants to work with the code.  Any contributor
> will be welcomed by the ServiceMix community (as required by the
> apache way), and *if* a large community develops that wants to split
> off later they can (as is allowed by the apache process).  Right now,
> I don't see this large community; all I do see is a few very grumpy
> individuals.  If the webservice project really really want to control
> this code, they can always fork it (as is allowed by the apache
> process).
>
> So: My recommendation is that the donation be accepted directly into
> ServiceMix and we all move on to more important issues.
>
> -dain
>
> On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>
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> > After re-reading all the discussion threads and getting
> > some technology education from people kind enough not to
> > bash me on the bonce, my strong recommendation is that
> > the Sybase contribution be made as a new podling proposal
> > to the incubator.
> >
> > That's after also considering the following:
> >
> > 1. The full expanded name of BPEL is 'Business Process
> >    Execution Language for Web Services;'
> > 2. We have a TLP devoted to Web Services; and
> > 3. A BPEL engine would be a component useful to
> >    a broader range of projects that just Geronimo.
> >
> > It just doesn't make sense to me to embed this into
> > ServiceMix, which is intended to be embedded into the
> > Geronimo project.
> >
> > The issues about who wants to work on it and their
> > current distribution through ASF projects (namely,
> > the claim that most of them are already working on
> > the ServiceMix package) I don't see as being particularly
> > relevant.  Having the BPEL effort outside of ServiceMix
> > is a better solution, IMHO, because
> >
> > 1. There's no barrier to ServiceMix people working on
> >    it;
> > 2. There's less chance of accidental too-tight binding
> >    to the ServiceMix/Geronimo packages;
> > 3. People working on it will see just messages relating
> >    to it, and not a bunch of UNrelated mail as well.
> >
> > That last one is pretty important, I think.  I suspect
> > that people from outside ServiceMix would be a bit
> > daunted or put off at having to deal with the flux of
> > ServiceMix-specific mail in order to see the BPEL-related
> > messages which might be their sole interest.
> >
> > So: My recommendation is that a new proposal be drafted,
> > and Sybase's BPEL contribution be subnmitted to the
> > incubator as a new standalone podling.
> > - --
> > #ken  P-)}
> >
> > Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> > Author, developer, opinionist      http://Apache-Server.Com/
> >
> > "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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