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From Ismael Ghalimi <>
Subject Re: Ode / BPEL Donation of BPEL 2.0 Engine
Date Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:41:26 GMT

We are in favor of a single project, for it will lead to the best
implementation we can get with the resources that are being dedicated to the

The meaning of the Ode (ODE?) acronym seems a little bit confusing and might
have to be clarified. The name itself is nice though.

Our primary concern moving forward will be whether we start from one
codebase, or try to merge two existing codebases. We have no preference on
the matter, but would like to be compliant with the 2.0 version of the
specification as soon as possible. Based on personal experience, moving from
BPEL 1.1 to BPEL 2.0 represents a very significant effort, and we believe
that we should try to minimize this effort as much as we can, for many other
nice features could be developed instead. It should also be mentioned that
PXE currently supports both BPEL 2.0 and BPEL 1.1. We understand that such
issues might have to be discussed at a later stage and are looking for
guidance on that front.

Best regards

On 2/16/06, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Bill and Ismael,
> Do be clear, as I understand it from comments such as:
>   Ismael: "Intalio [working] alongside Sybase"
>   Bill Flood: "My preference is simply that we apply our
>                combined talent to work towards something
>                greater than the sum of the parts."
> and from a telephone call with Bill, the desire on the part of both donors
> is to have a single project, rather than two separate ones, which will
> start
> from both codebases, and work together with others on a union.  FWIW,
> comments that I have received in the past day indicate a great deal of
> excitement about this possibility, so hopefully something really great
> will
> be the payoff from the initial angst.
> Is there a consensus to call this joint project Ode?  If so, we can go
> ahead
> with that.  Else, if you wanted we could start with "bpel-wg-dev@", so
> that
> you can immediately start, and leave "Ode" available for use later at
> graduation or if there arises a later desire to have separate PXE and
> "Ode"
> projects.
> I prefer, as it seems both of you do, the joint community.  Just asking
> the
> question.
>         --- Noel

Ismael Chang Ghalimi, CEO
Intalio, The Open Source BPMS Company |

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