Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 16945 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2006 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Jan 2006 22:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 44378 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2006 22:15:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 41436 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2006 22:15:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 40573 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jan 2006 08:38:51 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AC8CE84-092F-481B-B81C-B34B5B795804@aptiwan.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Luta?= Subject: Re: ajax proposal? Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:36:33 +0100 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Le 19 janv. 06 =E0 02:57, Noel J. Bergman a =E9crit : > Rapha=EBl Luta wrote: > >> I thought it would be safe to assume that Zimbra collaboration suite >> uses the AjaxTk. If it doesn't then I'm even more worried about that >> codebase ;) > > Why? > Because then I would have to reconsider the "orphaned product" statement of the proposal. Anyway, as far as I can tell froom looking at Zimbra collaborative suite, it does depend on the ajaxTk. >>>> An established codebase is *much* more difficult to restructure >>>> than starting from scratch. >>> Apache SOAP -> Apache Axis >>> Tomcat 3 -> Tomcat 4 -> Tomcat 5 -> Tomcat 5.5 ... >>> Jetspeed 1 -> Jetspeed 2 ;-) > >> My point exactly ! > >> Most of these transitions have not been a smooth ride even though >> they are successful: it takes time and a resilient community to >> manage these. > > No one said that doing it was necessarily easy, but isn't creating > resilient, healthy, communities a major part of our purpose? > We're doing loops here. My point in this thread is that initial code quality does matter in a code grant incubation because it is often burdened by backward compatibility with existing applications and thus major restructure may require a revolution which can hardly safely happen in the early months of the project open-source life. -- Rapha=EBl Luta - raphael@apache.org Apache Jetspeed - Enterprise Portal in Java http://portals.apache.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org