Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 45235 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 08:06:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 08:06:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 44748 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2006 08:06:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 44554 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2006 08:06:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 44495 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jan 2006 08:06:13 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:06:13 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: 212.216.176.109 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of davidw@dedasys.com) Received: from [212.216.176.109] (HELO vsmtp21.tin.it) (212.216.176.109) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:06:12 -0800 Received: from salem.casa (87.0.181.73) by vsmtp21.tin.it (7.2.060.1) id 43CB8C41006B4DCD; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:05:29 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by salem.casa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E7D30C477; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:03:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43D730CF.1080703@dedasys.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:03:27 +0100 From: "David N. Welton" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org CC: ASF PRC Team Subject: Re: public perceptions References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Noel J. Bergman wrote: > David N. Welton wrote: No I didn't - the comment below was Raphael Luta's - probably evident because of the double layer of quoting, but still... >>>I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit >>>when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under >>>incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by >>>Apache. > Actually, we've had quite a few comments from the public and incubator projects that dispute that view, especially in light of the disclaimers required to be conspicuously posted. > Let's not conflate the issues with the Apache != Apache Web Server discussion. They're both, to some degree, issues of looking at Apache from 10 kilometers in the sky, or looking at it very infrequently. Which describes most people pretty well because they are busy with their own work, lives, projects, etc. Those who are close enough to comment know about the project well enough to distinguish between different subgroups. They're observing from a lot closer. It's probable that the second group are the ones that matter, and if they can see a difference, then there isn't really a problem. It's just something to keep in mind. -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org