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From Raphaël Luta <>
Subject Re: ajax proposal?
Date Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:32:04 GMT
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Hi Raphael,
>>I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit
>>when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under
>>incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by
> If that's indeed the problem then we need to work on clearing up that
> misconception. That concern applies to all projects in the Incubator,
> not just this candidate.

It indeed applies to all incubating projects and IMO more acutely
for corporate code grants projects (as opposed to established OSS
projects that just move home like SpamAssassin did).
In code grant projects, little is known before incubation really
starts so trust is an important factor in these cases.

>>As long as this is true, accepting a project in the incubator even if
>>it stays there indefinitely *does* matter to me.
>>In the end, I don't think it's a personal prejudice but more a lack of
>>trust in the motivations of the proposal.
> That's a very strong statement .. let's please keep this conversation
> totally civil and respectful. This proposal is, after all, being
> strongly supported by Sam, who's not just a 2-bit member like me but
> rather a board member that you and I and other members elected to look
> after the best interests of the foundation. I've known Sam for many
> years and he's stubborn as a deaf mule and the last person who will give
> into pressure from his employer to do something that will harm the ASF.
> Sam has consistently been jumping into new stuff and really having
> dramatic impact quickly and intensely. I suspect he will do the same
> with this and I don't expect the other people around him will enjoy
> every minute of it. (I know I haven't for the stuff I've been around
> with him for ;-))

I didn't mean to be disrepectful to anyone and especially Sam. Please
accept me apologies if my words were considered rude. I believe Sam cares
deeply about the ASF and does what he thinks is right. We disagree about
what is right in this particular case (and then Roy, Noel and many others
agree with him so I'm definitely in a minority here).

That being said, I think I've pretty much listed all my reservations now.
Sam has made a good job of amending the proposal to include as many
concerns as possible short of postponing or dropping the proposal.
I don't think there's much left to discuss here.

Raphaël Luta -
Apache Portals - Enterprise Portal in Java

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