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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: Starting a java specs project
Date Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:11:45 GMT
On 1/1/2006 5:23 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:

>On 12/31/05, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>I haven't been involved in any history here, so please forgive my naivete.
>>
>>I think I understand the rationale for developing spec jars here at Apache.
>>Please correct me if I'm wrong. In order to use a spec jar from the JCP, you
>>have to click a license every time you download it. And this can be a real
>>usability problem if every user of a project needs to manually download just
>>to click a license that they don't read anyway (oops, gotta stop that).
>>    
>>
>
>Yep. Some are a real pain to find too; jdbc-stdext-2.0.jar springs to mind :)
>
>  
>
>>I doubt that there is enough in common among the spec jar developers to
>>build a community around "spec jars". But certainly there is a community
>>among the developers of Servlet and a different community among the
>>developers of JDO and a different community for MyFaces, etc.
>>    
>>
>
>You need community for two parts:
>
>1) Someone has to work on said website.
>2) There needs to be a place for people to talk about said specs; not
>in terms of development, but in terms of "is anyone working on a Foo
>spec yet?", "here's a patch for the website" and "what's the best way
>for us to handle the naming scheme?".
>
>The apache-jcp website is well on the way to this [http://www.apache.org/jcp/].
>
>In addition to a simple site, browseable spec javadoc and download
>links(ibiblio?) would be nicer than having to dig into the particular
>TLP that happened to develop the code.
>
>----
>
>Then we get onto the details:
>
>* Should the source be in a shared location, or in the original TLP.
>* Do we put it under JCP [ie: www.apache.org/jcp and jcp-open@] or
>Jakarta [ie: jakarta.apache.org/specs and specs@]. I'm +1 to either.
>
>[sales pitch :)]
>Really the second question is less about specs and more about
>whether/how we want a Java Federation at Apache. JCP is effectively
>the 'Java Community Process Federation at Apache', so it's natural
>that we'll have overlap issues between the two.
>  
>

There are plenty of non-JCP specs, e.g. CORBA.  I think that this should 
go into Jakarta.


Regards,
Alan







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