Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 62116 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 22:07:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 22:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 59248 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2005 22:07:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59143 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2005 22:07:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59131 invoked by uid 99); 22 Dec 2005 22:07:21 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:07:21 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [128.195.24.168] (HELO scotch.ics.uci.edu) (128.195.24.168) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:07:21 -0800 Received: from st-augustin.ics.uci.edu (st-augustin.ics.uci.edu [128.195.20.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by scotch.ics.uci.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBMM705E001525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:07:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:07:00 -0800 From: Justin Erenkrantz To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Is there a "no graduate" option? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43AB0C11.2080504@rcbowen.com> References: <43AB0C11.2080504@rcbowen.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.4 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0-r232569 (2005-08-13) on scotch.ics.uci.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on scotch.ics.uci.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Old-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=no version=3.2.0-r232569 X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --On December 22, 2005 3:26:57 PM -0500 Rich Bowen wrote: > As I look through the list of projects in the incubator, trying to figure > out where I can be useful, I notice several projects that have been in > the incubator for a LONG time. > > Which got me thinking ... is there a graceful exit option? I see on the > list that one project is listed as a "Failed incubation", which seems > really harsh. Is there an option for "You're very nice, but you just > don't fit at the ASF"? Or is it assumed that the two options are > "Graduate" and "Keep trying." It takes as long as it takes. The only requirement I have is that there is a continued effort towards attracting community. If a project goes completely dormant (i.e. no traffic whatsoever), then yes it can fail and should be terminated. However, placing arbitrary limits on the Incubation period is the opposite of what we want to achieve. It would "force" a community to meet artificial deadlines when that may be the worst thing we could do. -- justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org