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From: Jim Jagielski <jim@jaguNET.com>
Subject: Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:06:17 -0500
To: general@incubator.apache.org


On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:50 AM, Ted Leung wrote:

> On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
>> Personally, I am less than happy at seeing yet another large project
>> proposed from a corporate source (and IBM at that), along with a  
>> dozen new
>> committers who have not earned their merit at the ASF as most  
>> committers
>> have. I feel the ASF is losing its way, and becoming a repository for
>> corporate open-sourcing along with taking on responsibility for  
>> building
>> communities around corporate code bases. I suspect I'm in the  
>> minority at
>> the ASF, and I'm undoubtedly in the minority here in the  
>> incubator. But
>> there doesn't seem to be a way for the incubator to say "no  
>> thanks", other
>> than by a podling failing the incubation process, and that seems  
>> wrong to
>> me.
>
> The merits of the particular proposal aside,  I wanted to comment  
> on this paragraph.   This year at ApacheCon I was surprised to find  
> that a number of people also feel that the ASF is growing far too  
> quickly.   I know that are some people who believe that the growth  
> that we are experiencing is indicative of our success.   
> Unfortunately, I don't agree with that.    I think that the  
> incubation process is setting an incredibly low bar for access to  
> the Apache brand name, and this is a bad thing.   Corporations see  
> the value of the brand name, that's why they want to come here and  
> are willing to put up with all our overhead.
>

Unless we are very careful, Incubator will become a much
larger mess than the Jakarta project ever was... Which
would be quite ironic.

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