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From: Steven Noels <stevenn@outerthought.org>
Subject: Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:38:53 +0100
To: general@incubator.apache.org

On 21 Dec 2005, at 10:50, Ted Leung wrote:

> Unfortunately, I don't agree with that.    I think that the incubation 
> process is setting an incredibly low bar for access to the Apache 
> brand name, and this is a bad thing.   Corporations see the value of 
> the brand name, that's why they want to come here and are willing to 
> put up with all our overhead.

I agree but i believe we're picking the wrong example. For me, the low 
bar is because many code donations are happening in the folds of 
other-than-the-Incubator PMC: The Incubator PMC only needs to care 
about IP and legal blahblah, thus the receiving PMCs are tasked with 
community and brand abuse stuff. Combine this with mentors preferring 
to read and use the system as it has been designed and drafted 
literally, rather than according to what the (somewhat intangible) 
Apache Way dictates, and this is bound to create tension.

Quite frankly, I don't have the slightest idea anymore what is 
happening in the WebServices and Geronimo corner of Apache. That's 
either an indication of the fact that I should read more mail (yeah 
right), or something slightly more worrying. Too much, too fast, too 
eager, too soon. That way, we'll burn out rather than fade away. :)

</Steven>
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Steven Noels                            http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought                              Open Source Java & XML
stevenn at outerthought.org                stevenn at apache.org


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