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Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:18:43 -0500
From: Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com>
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Brett Porter wrote:
> On 12/31/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>>I think it was just coming out of incubation, but yes, that's something
>>we should point to somehow.
> 
> 
> I agree. This point actually raises something else - it would be a bit
> silly to have a specs project ("here are all our Java specs!") if it
> doesn't have them all ("...except this one, this one, and this one").

Well, we can't force anyone, and I just assume that projects will see 
the utility.  There's nothing really interesting about these spec jars, 
so they would be just a consumer as well (with help maintaining, I suppose).

> 
> Is it worth asking them to move too, and do we need to make sure they
> all agree first, or do we just agree to link out to them?

On a website?  I guess we could point to them, to try and shame them 
into bringing the stuff over :)

> 
> I understand the earlier point that there might not be a lot of coding
> going on here and that might hinder building any community around it.
> However, its another excuse for a bunch of people doing Java stuff to
> get together in one place, and maybe meet a wider community of people
> at Apache. That can only be a good thing.

The thing is, I don't think we should set any high expectations about 
community, because unlike Jakarta Commons, where there was/is active 
development around the projects, the spec jars are pretty static and 
boring...

> 
> 
>>It would be nice to have a JDO2 impl here as well...
> 
> 
> Getting off-topic, but does that really need to be here? Is there
> anything stopping people from getting involved in jpox, who as I
> understand it work very closely with the jdo team here and are the RI?

Does it need to?  only if people want it.  JPOX is the RI, and I always 
feel that a truly competitive impl of a spec isn't going to be the RI. 
You don't want to do real extension and surrounding innovation in an RI, 
  I figure...

geir

> 
> - Brett
> 
> 

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