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Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:50:50 -0800
From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com>
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Subject: Re: Corporations and the incubator
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On 12/25/2005 6:03 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:

>On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 13:00 -0700, Martin Sebor wrote:
>  
>
>>>Don't do a press release.  An incubating project is not officially  part 
>>>of the ASF, and a press release will imply that the project is  part of 
>>>the ASF.  This one really makes ASF members angry, so don't  go here.
>>>      
>>>
>>-1
>>
>>Press releases are a means for companies to announce noteworthy
>>events to the public. 
>>    
>>
>...
>  
>
>>>Don't "just" print some t-shirts with the ASF logo or the incubating  
>>>project's logo.  See "Don't do a press release" for reasons.
>>>      
>>>
>>-1
>>
>>I see nothing wrong with printing T-shirts or other promotional
>>items as long as their design is approved by the ASF. 
>>    
>>
>
>I disagree on both counts - while going thru incubation it is important
>to recognize that a project is *not* part of the ASF until it completes
>incubation. If we allow people to do press releases, print t-shirts and
>coffee mugs etc., then the rest of the world has no way to distinguish
>between a real ASF project and an incubating one. 
>
>We don't allow code releases from the incubator except with carefully
>minted words. Given we can't do that with t-shirts, its best to just say
>no. Press releases could have the disclaimer text- but the reality is
>that when the story gets carried by various folks they drop that stuff-
>the story simply isn't powerful enough with a disclaimer. So we end up
>losing.
>
>So I agree with Dain's proposals!
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>

These reflect my sentiments as well.


Regards,
Alan


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