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Subject: Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:33 +0800
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From: Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
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On Friday 23 December 2005 21:55, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> There are lots of bad reasons to come to the ASF and high on my list =A0
> is "to take advantage of the brand".

A safe bet is that there are a lot of "brand talks" involved in the=20
discussions "let's move to Apache".

I am sure that there are "brand leveraging" going on in existing projects a=
nd=20
their 'affiliated' companies. I am sure individuals leverage the brand for=
=20
private awards, be it speaker engagements, consultancy jobs or what not.

ASF can not escape "the brand" due to its success in various projects. It=20
needs to embrace that this is a reality, and deal with it in a dilligent=20
manner. Saying "fascination of the Apache brand" disqualifies a project for=
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Incubation is far too naive, leading to acceptance of those projects that=20
manages to mask or hide such "fascination". IMHO, rules that can be broken=
=20
without detection is effectively of no use.

A sidenote to that; It is interesting to notice that many projects seeking=
=20
incubation, make the assertion that "ASF is strong in building=20
communities" (which seems to sooth ASF a lot), yet projects are expected to=
=20
have strong communities prior to being accepted.


Cheers
Niclas

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