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Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:31:06 -0500
From: Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Is the incubator out of control?
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Sounds good to me (hopefully all our TLP's will have charters soon!!).

-- dims

On 12/23/05, Sam Ruby <rubys@apache.org> wrote:
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Sam,
> >
> > it's not just a question of content and significance. It's also a
> > question of fitting with existing projects and check to make sure that
> > the project still adheres to the the charter of the PMC. These are
> > better checked by outsiders ("Incubator PMC"), since the insiders ("WS
> > PMC") may be biased.
>
> I don't believe that it is the incubator's job to watch to make sure
> that existing projects stay to their charters - that's the job of the boa=
rd.
>
> > Another thing i can think of is, for example, when HTTPComponents (by
> > internal people) was being set up there was resistance from tomcat
> > folks. But the scope got resolved by active participation by folks
> > from tomcat and jakarta pmcs. IMHO, this will not happen if a PMC
> > already voted to accept something even before Incubator PMC knows
> > about it (not to mention the other PMC's who may significant input).
>
> Again, I don't believe that it is the incubator's job to enforce scope.
>   Furthermore, acceptance by the incubator is the start of a process,
> not the end of it.  There should be adequate opportunity for people to
> provide input during the course of incubation.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
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