Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 80622 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 07:45:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 07:45:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 48425 invoked by uid 500); 23 Dec 2005 07:44:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48285 invoked by uid 500); 23 Dec 2005 07:44:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48273 invoked by uid 99); 23 Dec 2005 07:44:58 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:44:57 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [209.68.5.17] (HELO relay03.pair.com) (209.68.5.17) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:44:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 16442 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2005 07:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.181?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 07:44:34 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 220.247.248.230 Subject: Re: Is the incubator out of control? From: Sanjiva Weerawarana To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <3632699A-C493-4D8C-AAF7-43F7B7463FFB@sauria.com> References: <96B33608-506E-46A1-A31B-7B2E4F342B80@sauria.com> <3632699A-C493-4D8C-AAF7-43F7B7463FFB@sauria.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Lanka Software Foundation Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:43:11 +0600 Message-Id: <1135323792.2818.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 21:19 -0800, Ted Leung wrote: > > > > Right now, however, all I hear is belly-aching by people who have not > > been doing any of the Incubator's work, nor that of infrastructure, > > so have little basis to complain about anything. > > I was the mentor and co-sponsor for XMLBeans, which graduated from > the incubator, after being there for about a year. As member of > the incubator PMC, I feel that it is part of my responsibility to ask > whether what we have is working for the foundation or not. +1. I too am on the incubator PMC and am mentoring 2 projects: Woden and Synapse. With a lot of due respect Roy, I think the argument that unless one helps with infra one does not have a right to belly-ache is absurd. Not everyone is infra-savvy and/or infra-interested. I refuse to accept that not contributing to infra reduces Ted's or my contributions to the foundation or the incubator. I care a lot about the future of ASF and I have lots of concerns about the incubation process and what it means to the ASF. I will pick up that discussion on the members list. Sanjiva. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org