On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:



Brett Porter wrote:
On 12/31/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
I think it was just coming out of incubation, but yes, that's something
we should point to somehow.
I agree. This point actually raises something else - it would be a bit
silly to have a specs project ("here are all our Java specs!") if it
doesn't have them all ("...except this one, this one, and this one").

Well, we can't force anyone, and I just assume that projects will see the utility.  There's nothing really interesting about these spec jars, so they would be just a consumer as well (with help maintaining, I suppose).

Is it worth asking them to move too, and do we need to make sure they
all agree first, or do we just agree to link out to them?

On a website?  I guess we could point to them, to try and shame them into bringing the stuff over :)

I understand the earlier point that there might not be a lot of coding
going on here and that might hinder building any community around it.
However, its another excuse for a bunch of people doing Java stuff to
get together in one place, and maybe meet a wider community of people
at Apache. That can only be a good thing.

The thing is, I don't think we should set any high expectations about community, because unlike Jakarta Commons, where there was/is active development around the projects, the spec jars are pretty static and boring...

It would be nice to have a JDO2 impl here as well...
Getting off-topic, but does that really need to be here? Is there
anything stopping people from getting involved in jpox, who as I
understand it work very closely with the jdo team here and are the RI?

Does it need to?  only if people want it.  JPOX is the RI, and I always feel that a truly competitive impl of a spec isn't going to be the RI. You don't want to do real extension and surrounding innovation in an RI,  I figure...

I don't necessarily agree with either point. JPOX has gained a lot of credibility and good press by being the RI, and it will continue to innovate in the product space as well.

The Sun-branded Java EE server is also the RI and has been for the last three releases starting with J2EE 1.3.

Of course, for some, I've proved your point. ;-)

Craig

geir

- Brett

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Craig Russell

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