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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <>
Subject Re: Starting a java specs project
Date Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:23:36 GMT

On Dec 27, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:

> One idea was to collate them as a part of Jakarta.

I'd never heard that one ;)

> My aim for Jakarta is to either promote subprojects to TLP or  
> flatten them into Jakarta Commons, leading to a non-umbrella  
> Jakarta (I know, you didn't think you'd see it in your lifetime).  
> This new Jakarta would have the potential to serve two roles:
> 1) Place for Java@Apache to share conversation [general@jakarta]
> 2) Place for Java@Apache to share code [Jakarta Commons]
> Storing the spec source there would be good for everyone I think;  
> it would help bring people to Jakarta to share code and  
> conversation, and the Commons community would make good stewards  
> for the code if the various owners departed.

I'm not sure if I buy that last one - do you really think that the  
commons people are willing to do that?  why?

The point of this was that this is shared code as well as code that  
causes collisions.  Apache Geronimo had to implement this stuff for  
J2EE, but it's a dupe of what we find elsewhere, like in tomcat and  
in web-services land.

The point was to get people to stop maintaining it within their  
project boundaries and do it in common - I don't think that people  
would "move on" as it's key to what's happening w/in each TLP.  I.e.  
WS needs JAXR for Scout (and so does Geronimo).  Tomcat needs servlet  
for tomcat (and so does Geronimo).  Portals needs JSR168 for  
portlets, etc...

IOW, there are people already working on this stuff.  This was the  
same motivating factor for Jakarta Commons when we started it - have  
subprojects (w/in Jakarta) bring forth things that they will share  
but will continue to work on as they are fundamental to the  
subproject.  IOW, the contributing [sub]project had a very compelling  
interest to keep going w/ the software.

> Some other pluses are that it would help be a part of an attempt to  
> rejuvenate Jakarta in 2006 (as a kind of federation) and that non- 
> JCP specs could be stored there too.
> Not trying to intrude on the JCP stuff though, so I can see if it's  
> preferred to keep things under a strictly JCP-oriented environment.

I don't think that it should be considered JCP specific - IOW,  
there's no reason to keep cc-ing jcp-open, but rather  
general@incubator is a fine a spot as any.


> Hen
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>> There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project  
>> which would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well  
>> as other standards, e.g. CORBA.  Often, there are many duplicate  
>> "copies" of the source code for the same JSR floating around in  
>> different Apache projects.  It would be a great idea to move them  
>> all into one project.  This idea, so far, has been met with much  
>> enthusiasm.
>> How do we get this started?
>> Regards,
>> Alan

Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437

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