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From Martin Marinschek <martin.marinsc...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:41:44 GMT
Do you mean the incubator PMC or the project PMCs?

I do think that there is much at stake also for the project PMCs....
If the projects they bring in don't work out, this will also be a
problem for the project community.

regards,

Martin

On 12/22/05, robert burrell donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/22/05, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >
> > > Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I think the Incubator would best serve the ASF if we/they had
> > >> the ultimate authority to vote on, even if the PMC approves a
> > >> proposed project, acceptance.
> > >
> > > You are entitled to that view, but until the Board formally sets
> > > that role,
> > > I don't believe that the Incubator should presume that it has that
> > > right.
> > >
> >
> > Quoting the Resolution that created the Incubator:
> >
> >      RESOLVED, that the Apache Incubator PMC be and hereby is
> >      responsible for the acceptance and oversight of new products
> >      submitted or proposed to become part of the Foundation; and be
> >      it further
> >
> > There is nothing within the Resolution which says, for example,
> > that the sponsor PMC gets first and only vote, etc... That
> > is, instead, a policy which we've (the Incubator) set. It's
> > the Incubator which granted that "power" to the PMCs, and
> > we can certainly, IMO, change our set policies to allow us
> > more control over that which we are charged with in the
> > first place :)
>
>
> the way people vote are a matter of record and so reputations are at stake
> both inside and outside apache. voting for a duff release or contributing to
> a failure of oversight has personal consequences.
>
> i wonder whether one cause of some of the worries is that there is very
> little at stake for the pmc and so very little reason for anyone to ever
> vote -1. any negatives will be somebody else's problem (whether the
> incubator's or apache's) to sort out. perhaps this misalignment of power and
> effect may prove not to be too healthy in the long run.
>
> - robert
>
>

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