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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <>
Subject Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:44:05 GMT
On 12/22/2005 10:34 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:

> On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> I do understand your point, but as I also understand from the  
>> comments of
>> both the current ASF Chairman and his predecessor, the Incubator's  
>> authority
>> comes into play when we vote to release from the Incubator, rather  
>> than when
>> another PMC charges us to accept a candidate into Incubation.   
>> Again, the
>> Board can clarify the intent, and I would welcome that clarification.
> The Chairman does not have ultimate authority, and their
> PoV or opinion does not count more or less than others, nor
> does it mean that their interpretation is the rule :)
> The idea that PMCs should be able to determine what
> projects are to be folded into the ASF is a good one,
> and one that we've always held to, but it's also the
> one that resulted in the problems with Jakarta
> and the lack of oversight involved with them. So it's
> not the fact that other PMCs should decide what
> gets added in which is the issue, is that we have
> the required checks and balances in place to
> avoid another Jakarta.
> Going under the assumption that there "should" be some
> sort of entity which "regulates" the influx of new
> projects within the ASF, I submit that the Incubator
> is the best such entity currently in existence (other
> than the board itself). That's all ;)

I'm confused.  Are you stating that the Incubator PMC does not currently 
have the ultimate authority on who leaves the incubator and who does not?


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