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From Justin Erenkrantz <jus...@erenkrantz.com>
Subject Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool
Date Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:52:38 GMT
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 11:10:13AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
> 
> > I think what it comes down to is what we want here for the
> > incubator is a "stable", or preferably "mature" tool, and
> > forrest really is currently too much of a moving target
> 
> That can be addressed, in part, by packaging Forrest in our site build
> structure, so that when you checkout the Incubator site, you get everything
> you need to build it.  We do that with JAMES; everything you need comes with
> the checkout, including the specific versions of ant, phoenix, DBCP, etc.,
> that we use.  All in that one tree.  And when you're done, if you delete the
> tree, there are no droppings left elsewhere.

How would even having a local copy of the JARs prevent the problem that
Forrest won't actually generate the site?  That was the issue Geir had.
As far as I can tell, Forrest will only work with a "ForrestBot" and a
"staging server" - it doesn't support a model where a local build is
sufficient to regenerate the site.  (Ross said that he is proposing that
Forrest be able to do that in the future; but they don't do it now.)

Don't get me wrong; having everything included in incubator/site *is* a
requirement.  The only thing a user should bring to the table is a JVM.
As demonstrated elsewhere, Anakia works exactly like that.

> > I'm not going to be "happy" until I have a site generation tool I can
> > basically "forget about".
> 
> That's a fair, but potentially orthogonal issue.

It's central to the whole discussion.  If I have to spend any time thinking
about Forrest, it means that I'm not thinking about the content.  -- justin

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