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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool
Date Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:09:16 GMT
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 01:12:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote:
> If people have issues with Forrest, then please take them
> to the user@forrest mailing list. It is totally unfair
> to a new project to just criticise it from afar. We get
> very few emails to the user mailing list about any issues
> with Forrest. This seems to be especially the case with
> committers from Apache projects that decided to use Forrest.
> There are zero postings from Leo to user@forrest and
> one or two relevant ones to dev@forrest.

This isn't surprising. When Forrest was deployed for the Incubator,
and we first started having problems with it and talking about
jettisoning it, then you (David) appeared saying "I'll provide all the
help you need to use Forrest for the Incubator." So all the questions
and concerns stayed right here.

IMO, I'm also +1 on tossing it. The last time that I had to update the
incubator site, I had to download a JRE for my box. Then I had to
*checkout* about dozen *megabytes* of various java projects. I'm
talking about megabytes of *source* code. That got built into
something like another 60 megabytes over the next 30 minutes. Then I
had to get the thing running against my Incubator site checkout. Once
I got it all working, then I was able to make my 10-line edit.

No thanks. It is really cumbersome to use. I'm not about to go and
build another Forrest just to edit some Incubator pages. Like Justin,
I'll just go do one of the other billion things that interests me more
than fighting with a huge publishing system. And that is kind of sad,
given that the Incubator should remain updated and fresh, as it is one
of the first things that many new folks see when they come to Apache.

I think Forrest can be a great tool, but I don't think it is
appropriate for the Incubator. We've been fighting against it for a
LONG time now, and I think that (empirically) says that it just isn't
suitable for this PMC, its community, and what it is trying to do.


Greg Stein,

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