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From Leo Simons <>
Subject Re: FTPServer one more time
Date Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:56:49 GMT
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 01:22:16PM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Saturday 24 December 2005 12:51, Sergey Vladimirov wrote:
> > No, the project was not retired. It was "suspended" due to none of
> > commiters were available.
> >
> > We would like to stay as Apache Incubator Project for some time (and move
> > from Incubator), but we have problems which cann't be solved by ourselfs -
> > we haven't access to svn, for site, etc.
> Yes, I know this.
> The problem is roughly like this;
>  1. Mentor is AWOL.
>  2. PPMC is defunct.
>  3. Committers are not really present.
>  4. Active/interested parties are not ASF committers.
>  5. Paul apparently tried to make you guys committers, but without following
>     proper procedure and "kicking the can" at infrastructure@, this have
>     possibly falling through the cracks.

Yep. No account requests recorded. IIRC there was a vote on pmc@incubator.

>  6. The Incubator PMC *should* intervene, and *either* terminate the
>     incubation, *or* revive it by admitting you and Niklas to work on it with
>     a new and more active mentor. The latter is somewhat irregular for ASF,
>     but personally I think this is an irregular situation.

I disagree that the "incubator PMC" should "intervene". Limit the role of the PMC
as much as possible.

I agree that FTPServer needs
more/more active mentoring if it is too succeed here. If the people interested in
the codebase are not so interested in doing things the "apache way" and want to
take it elsewhere, that is fine too. Anyone out there can ask for dumps of eg
mail archives, source repository, etc (though I'll note using svk you can get
the 'dump' of svn without us knowing, and mboxes of email archives are at eg

Having sort-of followed the development of ftpserver over the last few years
(from its beginnings within avalon a looong time ago) I think I'll actually
recommend taking the codebase and its community elsewhere -- interest in forming
an "ASF-style community" doesn't seem to be building up a whole lot. At some point
its fine to stop trying and just do things "with less overhead".



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