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From Leo Simons <m...@leosimons.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists
Date Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:55:39 GMT
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
> 
>   New mailing lists should be created under the
>   @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
>   the other project resources, e.g., the web
>   site and SVN subtree.

+0

(...)
> There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put mailing lists
> for projects that are in the Incubator.  As the person who argued for the
> current approach, which had to do with infrastructure issues, I'm also going
> to suggest that it change.  We are finding that it is more and more
> important to highlight when a project is in the Incubator, and to ensure
> that there is no confusion in the mind of the public about that status.

Indeed. Even in the mind of our own developers it seems.

> The current approach is to put the mailing lists under the domain of the TLP
> into which it was expected that they would go, and THE REASON for this had
> to do with the difficulty of moving the mailing lists and the eyebrowse
> archives.  HOWEVER, Roy has since written a script to move mailing lists,
> and we no longer use eyebrowse.  And unlike the prior setup, it is fairly
> straightforward to redirect an old archive location to a new one.

Changing a mailing list is stil painful "further downstream". Eg with the MARC
archive or mail-archive.com or gmane or whatever. In the HTTP space, we have lots
of tools for URI management (eg mod_rewrite, Redirect, RedirectMatch), in the
email space (eg mailto:foo@apache.org) we don't have it (we just have a simple form
of a "Redirect" that doesn't propagate, eg we don't have a "Moved Permanently").
Hence, I remain of the opinion that effort should be taken to make email addresses
"As permanent as possible".

I'll assert there are other concerns that overrule this technical argument (eg
those you gave above and the ones mads listed), but for reference purposes :-)

> THEREFORE, new mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources,
> e.g., the web site and SVN subtree.

- Leo

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