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From Davanum Srinivas <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: a few steps before approving a project
Date Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:50:58 GMT
And yes, gag orders have been issued :)

-- dims

On 9/1/05, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> There was ONLY one press release...that was vetted by the prc@. Please
> complain to the folks there.
> 
> There was one document (unsolicited) from Gartner. I've already
> personally sent a response with help from Justin and others (Thanks
> justin).
> 
> So there is nothing left for to do for me other than keep hearing
> choice words, so i'll just stop and listen. Pile it on :(
> 
> If there is something else i did not do, that i have control on, let me know.
> 
> -- dims
> 
> On 9/1/05, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
> > I don't see what this has to do with Synapse, but whatever ...
> >
> > > IF we even seem to appear to sneak something by AM sure we will get an
> > > earful BUT in this case we courted IONA and got their support and
> > > showed that we can build diversity that spans OW and Apache. For this
> > > what do we get, brick bats again.
> >
> > No, actually, nobody has complained about IONA.  People are complaining
> > that the mentors are doing a crappy job of controlling the other
> > commercial organizations who seek to spin Synapse into something that
> > makes other companies look good.
> >
> > > Look we have no code, some code from Infravio is using Axis 1.X and
> > > the porposal makes it clear that it is only for "consultation" and not
> > > a seeding codebase. So we are practically starting from scratch. No
> > > one even understands that.
> >
> > Then you shouldn't have any seed code and you should just create
> > a directory and start working.  You created this mess yourselves
> > by turning it into a Web Services marketing event.
> >
> > > Am getting demoralized now because of all this brouhaha over nothing.
> > > Guess, we don't really mean to be open. Suddenly even building
> > > businesses around Open Source seems to be a bad idea given the
> > > reactions for just one DAMN PROPOSAL. I guess given all the acrimony
> > > we should stop introducing any projects in Apache. Let's just rot and
> > > die.
> >
> > Look, I am going to explain this as roughly as possible.  Apache
> > exists now, today, because people like ME and Randy and Jim and
> > Brian (and now Greg and Justin and Sam and ...) have forcibly
> > prevented various companies from abusing their participation in
> > OUR projects through factually incorrect press releases. It is
> > YOUR responsibility to do that with projects that YOU agree to
> > mentor, even if it means publicly humiliating the idiots in PR
> > when they make mistakes.
> >
> > This will be a far harder task in the Web Services area (filled
> > with companies who exist solely on the basis of press releases and
> > nothing else) than it was for the original Web projects.  You are
> > swimming in a sewer of bad companies trying to do good.  It should
> > not be surprising that we need to hose the project down before it
> > can join Apache.  We need to do that to protect both Apache and
> > the new project.  It only takes ONE bad project to undue all of
> > the gains we have made within the ASF.  It is the fact that we
> > take such care with new projects that differentiates Apache from
> > other sites that merely host code.
> >
> > ....Roy
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> --
> Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/ - Oxygenating The Web Service Platform
> 


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Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/ - Oxygenating The Web Service Platform

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