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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:47:24 -0700
From: Cliff Schmidt <cliffschmidt@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubating Project Releases (was Re: JDO2 Snapshots)
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On 8/16/05, Leo Simons <mail@leosimons.com> wrote:
> Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> > On 8/10/05, Leo Simons <mail@leosimons.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 8/8/05, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I don't mind an incubating project making verifiable releases with
> >>>>proper voting and the appropriate disclaimers.
> >>>
> >>>I completely agree, and I believe this is exactly what projects want t=
o do.
> >>>
> >>>Are there any PMC members who disagree with Roy's opinion?
> >>
> >>Certainly not me.
> >>
> > I just really want to make sure I'm not misinterpreting Roy's
> > statement.  Why would there be any debate at all about what JDO wanted
> > to do if the statement above was the consensus of the PMC?
>=20
> Because they wanted to do something else, namely publish a snapshot to a
> maven repository, a thing which exists primarily so build tools can do
> automated downloads of its contents without bothering the user of said
> build tool much about it, hence lacks "appropriate disclaimers".
>=20
> Furthermore, its becoming common practice around the open source java
> land to call things a "snapshot" to wiggle out of doing "proper voting"
> or building "verifiable releases".
>=20
> So they failed at least one and potentially all of the requirements.

ahh -- I thought they were only talking about doing snapshot releases
because they believed it was their only choice while in incubation;
this is why I wanted it clear that a proper release could be done by
an incubating project that follows the branding guidelines.

Cliff

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