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Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:13:41 +0200
From: Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposal for new sub-project Tobago (of MyFaces)
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References: <4304BE85.5060103@atanion.com> <1124738125.7317.7.camel@localhost>

...and - there is still the issue if Manfred Geiler might be a
champion of the project as an ASF official?

Can you clear this up?

Would be great,

regards,

Martin

On 8/22/05, Matthias Wessendorf <mailings@matthias-wessendorf.de> wrote:
> Hi,
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> since it seams very quite about this proposal, I have to say, that we
> (the MyFaces PMC) has voted to incubate this project.
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> How is the schedule? What are the next steps? Has the incubator PMC
> still to vote?
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> Thanks for any update!
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> .Matthias
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> On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 18:59 +0200, Arvid H=FClsebus wrote:
> > Proposal for new sub-project Tobago (of MyFaces)
> >
> > 18th August 2005, the Tobago Team (contributions by: Udo Schnurpfeil, V=
olker
> > Weber, Philippe Hennes, Arvid H=FClsebus, Bernd Bohmann, Detlef Bartetz=
ko)
> >
> > (0) Rational
> >
> > The goal of Tobago is to provide the community with a well designed set
> > of user
> > interface components based on JSF and run on MyFaces.
> >
> > Tobago is more than just a tag library. The following statements
> > characterize
> > Tobago and makes it different from other frameworks:
> >
> > The focus of Tobago is to create business applications without the need
> > for HTML
> > design. The development of Tobago pages follows more the development of
> > conventional user interfaces than the creation of web pages.
> >
> > The UI components are abstracted from HTML and any layout information
> > that does
> > not belong to the general page structure. The final output format is
> > determined
> > by the client/user-agent.
> >
> > A theming mechanism makes it easy to change the look and feel and to
> > provide
> > special implementations for certain browsers. A fallback solution
> > ensures that
> > as much code is reused for new themes as possible.
> >
> > A layout manager is used to arrange the components automatically. This
> > means, no
> > manual layouting with HTML tables or other constructs is needed.
> >
> > A life demo can be found here: http://tobago.atanion.net
> >
> > The development of Tobago started in 2002.
> >
> > (0.1) Criteria
> >
> > Meritocracy
> >
> > The Tobago project will be meritocratic. The project will therefore
> > follow the
> > guidelines of the Apache Foundation.
> >
> > We use defined roles and responsibilities like contributors and commite=
rs.
> >
> > We believe in teamwork and in the consens brought by discussions that
> > are done
> > on a mailing list. Votings will establish the final 'will' of the commu=
nity.
> >
> > Community
> >
> > We believe that Tobago will attract a stable community sufficient in
> > size. All
> > MyFaces users/developers are potential Tobago users/developers. Tobago
> > will make
> > MyFaces even more attractive.
> >
> > Core Developers:
> >
> > Tobago was mainly developed by six employees of Atanion while working (=
if
> > applicable) and in spare time. However, at the moment two of them could=
 be
> > counted as real experts or core developers and the others have a good
> > knowledge
> > of the project.
> >
> > All developers will file the Contribution License Agreement. Atanion
> > GmbH will
> > file the Corporate Contribution License Agreement.
> >
> > Two PMC members from the MyFaces project also want to become Tobago
> > committers:
> > Martin Marinschek and Matthias Wessendorf (both PMCs Myfaces).
> >
> > Alignment:
> >
> > Tobago is a framework built on top of JSF and therefore works well with
> > MyFaces.
> > The project makes use of several Apache libraries like Commons, Taglibs
> > and Ant.
> >
> > (0.2) Warning signs
> >
> > Orphaned products:
> >
> > All active developers would like to become Tobago Committers or PMC
> > members and
> > plan to remain active in the project.
> >
> > Inexperience with open source:
> >
> > The current Tobago developers have experience with open source projects=
.
> > However
> > in the past this was restricted by using open source projects and
> > participating
> > on there mailing lists. No active development was done.
> >
> > Martin Marinschek and Matthias Wessendorf do have a lot of experience
> > with open
> > source.
> >
> > Homogenous developers:
> >
> >  From scratch the project will start with six developers of one company
> > and two
> > additional developers from other companies. We hope to attract more
> > individual developers soon.
> >
> > Reliance on salaried developers:
> >
> > Tobago was developed in working and spare time and does not rely on sal=
aried
> > developers. However Atanion will support the project in the future by
> > dedicating
> > 'work time' to Tobago.
> >
> > No ties to other Apache products:
> >
> > Tobago makes excessive use of serveral components of the Jakarta
> > Commons. It is
> > developed on the Tomcat JSP/Servlet container. (However it runs also on
> > other
> > containers.) Tobago is the ideal addition for MyFaces.
> >
> > A fascination with the Apache brand:
> >
> > We respect and admire the work done by the Apache Foundation. Various o=
pen
> > source projects of the foundation have saved us an almost unlimited
> > amount of
> > development time or money in case of not using commercial products. We
> > want to
> > give something back to the community and become part of it.
> >
> > (1) Scope of subprojects
> >
> > As mentioned above Tobago is the ideal addition for MyFaces. Therefore
> > we prefer to
> > become a subproject of MyFaces.
> >
> > (2) Initial source
> >
> > The source code can be found under:
> >
> >   http://www.atanion.net/repos/asf/tobago/trunk/
> >
> > The source code is provided under the Apache License, version 2.0.
> >
> > A precompiled WAR for the demo can be found at:
> >
> >   http://www.atanion.com/tobago/tobago-example-demo.war
> >
> > (3) ASF resource to be created
> >
> > (3.1) Mailling-list
> >
> > At the moment the existing mailing lists of the MyFaces project should =
be
> > sufficient to discuss and announce Tobago topics. If not, we need the
> > following
> > lists:
> >
> >     * tobago-dev
> >     * tobago-user
> >     * tobago-pmc
> >
> > (3.2) Subversion
> >
> > A subversion repository with one module 'incubator-tobago'.
> >
> > (3.3) Issue tracking
> >
> > At the moment the MyFaces JIRA module could be used.
> >
> > (4) initial set of committers
> >
> > (4.1) Already ASF committers
> >
> >     * Martin Marinschek, martin.marinschek@gmail.com (PMC MyFaces)
> >     * Matthias Wessendorf, mwessendorf@gmail.com (PMC MyFaces)
> >
> > (4.2) Other committers
> >
> >     * Udo Schnurpfeil, udo@schnurpfeil.de
> >     * Volker Weber, asf@weber-oldenburg.de
> >     * Philippe Hennes, philippe.hennes@philstar.de
> >     * Arvid H=FClsebus, idus@krelon.com
> >     * Bernd Bohmann, bernd.bohmann@atanion.com
> >     * Detlef Bartetzko, detlef.bartetzko@gmail.com
> >
> > (5) Apache sponsoring individuals
> >
> > Tobago is sponsored by MyFaces. Mentors are Martin Marinschek and Matth=
ias
> > Wessendorf from the MyFaces project (both PMCs). Champion is potentiall=
y
> > Manfred Geiler (MyFaces PMC Chair), if an official (and not a member) o=
f
> > the ASF can be champion.
> >
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