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From Martin Marinschek <martin.marinsc...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Proposal for new sub-project Tobago (of MyFaces)
Date Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:33:21 GMT
Hi everyone,

anything to say to this?

positive feedback - negative feedback - acceptance - tolerance - etc...

anyone fancying being the mentor for this hopefully thriving
subproject of MyFaces?

regards,

Martin

On 8/19/05, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dooh!
> 
> after looking it up again, the mentors need to be Apache members as
> well. Ok, so this project will be searching for mentors to steer it
> into the right direction. Forget the mentor suggestions in this
> proposal, then...
> 
> It would still be interesting to know if Manfred Geiler may be the
> champion of this proposal or not.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 8/19/05, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just to let you know:
> >
> > the MyFaces PMC has positively voted on accepting a Tobago subproject
> > on successful incubation.
> >
> > a question is if Manfred Geiler as being MyFaces PMC Chair (and
> > therefore Apache VP) can be champion for the new subproject, not being
> > an Apache member? Ted Husted suggested this as a potential solution...
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 8/18/05, Arvid Hülsebus <arvid.huelsebus@atanion.com> wrote:
> > > Proposal for new sub-project Tobago (of MyFaces)
> > >
> > > 18th August 2005, the Tobago Team (contributions by: Udo Schnurpfeil, Volker
> > > Weber, Philippe Hennes, Arvid Hülsebus, Bernd Bohmann, Detlef Bartetzko)
> > >
> > > (0) Rational
> > >
> > > The goal of Tobago is to provide the community with a well designed set
> > > of user
> > > interface components based on JSF and run on MyFaces.
> > >
> > > Tobago is more than just a tag library. The following statements
> > > characterize
> > > Tobago and makes it different from other frameworks:
> > >
> > > The focus of Tobago is to create business applications without the need
> > > for HTML
> > > design. The development of Tobago pages follows more the development of
> > > conventional user interfaces than the creation of web pages.
> > >
> > > The UI components are abstracted from HTML and any layout information
> > > that does
> > > not belong to the general page structure. The final output format is
> > > determined
> > > by the client/user-agent.
> > >
> > > A theming mechanism makes it easy to change the look and feel and to
> > > provide
> > > special implementations for certain browsers. A fallback solution
> > > ensures that
> > > as much code is reused for new themes as possible.
> > >
> > > A layout manager is used to arrange the components automatically. This
> > > means, no
> > > manual layouting with HTML tables or other constructs is needed.
> > >
> > > A life demo can be found here: http://tobago.atanion.net
> > >
> > > The development of Tobago started in 2002.
> > >
> > > (0.1) Criteria
> > >
> > > Meritocracy
> > >
> > > The Tobago project will be meritocratic. The project will therefore
> > > follow the
> > > guidelines of the Apache Foundation.
> > >
> > > We use defined roles and responsibilities like contributors and commiters.
> > >
> > > We believe in teamwork and in the consens brought by discussions that
> > > are done
> > > on a mailing list. Votings will establish the final 'will' of the community.
> > >
> > > Community
> > >
> > > We believe that Tobago will attract a stable community sufficient in
> > > size. All
> > > MyFaces users/developers are potential Tobago users/developers. Tobago
> > > will make
> > > MyFaces even more attractive.
> > >
> > > Core Developers:
> > >
> > > Tobago was mainly developed by six employees of Atanion while working (if
> > > applicable) and in spare time. However, at the moment two of them could be
> > > counted as real experts or core developers and the others have a good
> > > knowledge
> > > of the project.
> > >
> > > All developers will file the Contribution License Agreement. Atanion
> > > GmbH will
> > > file the Corporate Contribution License Agreement.
> > >
> > > Two PMC members from the MyFaces project also want to become Tobago
> > > committers:
> > > Martin Marinschek and Matthias Wessendorf (both PMCs Myfaces).
> > >
> > > Alignment:
> > >
> > > Tobago is a framework built on top of JSF and therefore works well with
> > > MyFaces.
> > > The project makes use of several Apache libraries like Commons, Taglibs
> > > and Ant.
> > >
> > > (0.2) Warning signs
> > >
> > > Orphaned products:
> > >
> > > All active developers would like to become Tobago Committers or PMC
> > > members and
> > > plan to remain active in the project.
> > >
> > > Inexperience with open source:
> > >
> > > The current Tobago developers have experience with open source projects.
> > > However
> > > in the past this was restricted by using open source projects and
> > > participating
> > > on there mailing lists. No active development was done.
> > >
> > > Martin Marinschek and Matthias Wessendorf do have a lot of experience
> > > with open
> > > source.
> > >
> > > Homogenous developers:
> > >
> > >  From scratch the project will start with six developers of one company
> > > and two
> > > additional developers from other companies. We hope to attract more
> > > individual developers soon.
> > >
> > > Reliance on salaried developers:
> > >
> > > Tobago was developed in working and spare time and does not rely on salaried
> > > developers. However Atanion will support the project in the future by
> > > dedicating
> > > 'work time' to Tobago.
> > >
> > > No ties to other Apache products:
> > >
> > > Tobago makes excessive use of serveral components of the Jakarta
> > > Commons. It is
> > > developed on the Tomcat JSP/Servlet container. (However it runs also on
> > > other
> > > containers.) Tobago is the ideal addition for MyFaces.
> > >
> > > A fascination with the Apache brand:
> > >
> > > We respect and admire the work done by the Apache Foundation. Various open
> > > source projects of the foundation have saved us an almost unlimited
> > > amount of
> > > development time or money in case of not using commercial products. We
> > > want to
> > > give something back to the community and become part of it.
> > >
> > > (1) Scope of subprojects
> > >
> > > As mentioned above Tobago is the ideal addition for MyFaces. Therefore
> > > we prefer to
> > > become a subproject of MyFaces.
> > >
> > > (2) Initial source
> > >
> > > The source code can be found under:
> > >
> > >   http://www.atanion.net/repos/asf/tobago/trunk/
> > >
> > > The source code is provided under the Apache License, version 2.0.
> > >
> > > A precompiled WAR for the demo can be found at:
> > >
> > >   http://www.atanion.com/tobago/tobago-example-demo.war
> > >
> > > (3) ASF resource to be created
> > >
> > > (3.1) Mailling-list
> > >
> > > At the moment the existing mailing lists of the MyFaces project should be
> > > sufficient to discuss and announce Tobago topics. If not, we need the
> > > following
> > > lists:
> > >
> > >     * tobago-dev
> > >     * tobago-user
> > >     * tobago-pmc
> > >
> > > (3.2) Subversion
> > >
> > > A subversion repository with one module 'incubator-tobago'.
> > >
> > > (3.3) Issue tracking
> > >
> > > At the moment the MyFaces JIRA module could be used.
> > >
> > > (4) initial set of committers
> > >
> > > (4.1) Already ASF committers
> > >
> > >     * Martin Marinschek, martin.marinschek@gmail.com (PMC MyFaces)
> > >     * Matthias Wessendorf, mwessendorf@gmail.com (PMC MyFaces)
> > >
> > > (4.2) Other committers
> > >
> > >     * Udo Schnurpfeil, udo@schnurpfeil.de
> > >     * Volker Weber, asf@weber-oldenburg.de
> > >     * Philippe Hennes, philippe.hennes@philstar.de
> > >     * Arvid Hülsebus, idus@krelon.com
> > >     * Bernd Bohmann, bernd.bohmann@atanion.com
> > >     * Detlef Bartetzko, detlef.bartetzko@gmail.com
> > >
> > > (5) Apache sponsoring individuals
> > >
> > > Tobago is sponsored by MyFaces. Mentors are Martin Marinschek and Matthias
> > > Wessendorf from the MyFaces project (both PMCs). Champion is potentially
> > > Manfred Geiler (MyFaces PMC Chair), if an official (and not a member) of
> > > the ASF can be champion.
> > >
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