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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report
Date Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:09:24 GMT
Is the problem you see due to a misunderstanding?

The word is "sublicense", not "relicense"...


On Jul 29, 2005, at 12:41 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:

> Roy T. Fielding <fielding <at> gbiv.com> writes:
>
>
>> I have been helpful for the past ten years and have seen nothing
>> but intentional obstruction from the FSF.  Think about that.
>>
>
> Roy,
>
> I have thought about that, and, speaking for myself, I'd like to  
> thank you
>  for being helpful for the past ten years. I would appreciate it  
> very much
>  if
> you'd continue being helpful, and continue showing respect for your
> fellow
> developers, as that is one of the things Apache is about[1] and one of
>  things I
> find interesting about it.
>
> I have some trouble understanding the sublicensing provision of the
> Apache
> license v2, and I believe you were one of the persons drafting it, so
> I hope you
> can help me understand it better.
>
> From ASL2:
>
> [...]
>
>  "Work" shall mean the work of authorship, whether in Source or
> Object form,
> made available under the License, as indicated by a copyright notice
>  that is
> included in or attached to the work (an example is provided in the
>  Appendix below).
>
> [...]
>
> 2. Grant of Copyright License. Subject to the terms and conditions
>  of this
> License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual,
> worldwide,
> non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright
> license to
> reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly
>  perform,
> sublicense, and distribute the Work and such Derivative Works in
> Source or
> Object form.
>
> I'd like to sublicense all of ASF's ASL2 licensed Works in Source
>  form and
> distribute those sublicensed Works to others under a GPL2/LGPL/ASL2
> triple license (like Mozilla)
> on, say, cowgirls.kaffe.org.
>
> Is that fine with the ASL2? My impression is that the ASF explicitely
>  wants to
> allow people to sublicense ASF's Works under a single, different
>  license, to
> allow for use in more restrictively licensed software. In my case
>  it's the GPL,
> so I believe that should be as fine, as any use by IBM or Sun in
>  some of their
> proprietary products, for example,
>
> Are the provisions of the section 4 supposed to be transitive,
> i.e. to apply to
> all steps in the distribution chain, or not? Afaict, the requirement
>  to carry
> around the Apache License is lost after I pass my sublicensed
>  GPL2/ASL2 version
> on to others, as they can chose to accept the GPL and not
> carry the additional
> ASL around when they redistribute further.
>
> The patent retaliation would seem to only concern me (yeah right,
>  I live in
> Europe anyway ;), but as long as I do not sue people for patents,
>  I have my own
> license to use, and those that received the Works from me are
>  protected by the
> liberal provisions of the GPL, that remain in force despite
>  the termination
> provisions of the ASL, if my recepients chose the GPL, as GPL
>  does not know the
> concept of patent termination.
>
> Would it be possible to fix the small bug in the ASL2 this way?
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/faq.html#what-is-apache-about
>
>
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Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org



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