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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report
Date Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:31:52 GMT

On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:

> Been watching this debate and thought I should chime in that Sun  
> has more than one community where the *source* is under one license  
> (say LGPL for instance) but the *mail lists* are explicitly under  
> more liberal terms of use.  Why are you all assuming that they mail  
> list must be under a source code license?

We want to make sure that [source] contributions that are from or  
derived from the mail lists are able to be used in the project.

geir

>
> Danese
>
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday 28 July 2005 22:59, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sure - every mail list at the ASF has been understood to be  
>>>> under the
>>>> Apache License for contributions, and if you choose to submit
>>>> something to a mail list that isn't intended for people to use, you
>>>> mark it as "NOT A CONTRIBUTION".
>>>>
>>>> Without this, no one could take anything from mail lists and use in
>>>> projects because they wouldn't have been contributed under a  
>>>> license
>>>> we accept.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt this is legally binding to any degree what so ever. ( A  
>>> formal
>>> reference to what you claim would also be interesting, since  
>>> after 7 years on
>>> various ASF mailing lists, I have never come across that  
>>> contributions over
>>> mail has implicit licensing infered by the non Copyright holder...)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's always been my assumption that all contributions are under  
>> the Apache License, and we wished to make it explicit.
>>
>> With the Harmony list, we can certainly make it so - there are no  
>> contributions by people not subscribed, so we can clearly make the  
>> terms clear.
>>
>> We want to make sure that anything that comes into SVN has a clear  
>> pedigree, both for copyright and any patent licenses owned by the  
>> contributor.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Without a Copyright notice inside a mail ( and reference to any  
>>> licensing
>>> attached to that ) posted on a globally public mailing list,  
>>> would for sure
>>> be considered belonging to the public domain, where a "courtesy  
>>> of..." is
>>> ethically right, but not required, in case of use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure about that.
>>
>>
>>
>>> IIUIC;
>>> If I, the Contributor, have claims to something I publicly  
>>> display, such
>>> display must contain any such claims. Without informing the  
>>> audience, I have
>>> given up such claims.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's not true at all.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> IANAL, but we could check whether I am out sailing completely or  
>>> not.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Helm's alee... :)
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If this is case, then it is up to each mailing list participant  
>>> to protect the
>>> works or forfeit the claims at his/her own discretion. Which "by  
>>> default"
>>> then ends up being, chat along as much as you wish and anyone do  
>>> whatever
>>> they like with the content of such discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is true.  If it is, I don't think it makes  
>> life better for us...
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Niclas
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
>> geirm@apache.org
>>
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Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org



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