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From Rodent of Unusual Size <Ken.C...@Golux.Com>
Subject Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html
Date Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:46:19 GMT

Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> Perhaps we could change it to private votes and a slightly more
> formal process for the announcement (along with a suggestion that
> the existing committers congratulate the newbie in public)?

In the scenario I personally consider the best and healthiest,
committers == voters == PMC.  Clearly stated.  I find disparity
a little upsetting, and somewhat analogous to the common U.S. law
that you can be forced to serve your nation at 18, but aren't
trusted to govern yourself drinking until you're 21.  If you're
trusted with the code, you should be trusted to the extent of
having a formal voice in project direction.

(Note that I didn't say I thought such disparity is *wrong*,
just that it upsets me personally.  It may be the right thing
for a group.)

Unfortunately (again IMHO) that's not univeral across the ASF.
I think we have multiple cases of 'committers != voters == PMC',
some 'committer == voters != PMC', and maybe some cases of all
three being unequivalent.

In a (IMHO) better world, the discussion and vote would happen on the
open list among the voters.  Again unfortunately, that has three
terminal drawbacks: it happens in the face of the candidate, it
makes the candidate appear graceless and ungrateful if it declines,
and it falls afoul of the Janus effect: people have a tendency to
feel entitled to confront their accusers, but also long for the
ability to make denunciations anonymously.

These are all social concerns rather than technical, and therefore
have a direct bearing and effect, I think, on the community aspect.

Since there is no ASF rule that the three sets be identical, being
elected a committer does not equate to being elected to the PMC.
And it's only changes to the PMC that might have a documentation
need for legal reasons.  (And I'm not even sure about that.)

So to defuse the social concerns, I think that votes on people
either need to occur on private lists, or else anonymously on
public ones.
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