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From Rodent of Unusual Size <Ken.C...@Golux.Com>
Subject Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html
Date Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:21:50 GMT

Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> That doesn't happen -- discussion takes place in private before
> the vote even starts, just like it did in the old Apache Group.

Oh, perhaps you're assuming that the only people permitted to
participate in the 'pro forma' vote are the ones whoe participated
in the private one.  If so, that is *far* from clear to me, particularly
in the (I fear too common) case of a project for which 'who can vote'
set isn't clearly or explicitly defined.

*I'm* concerned about the effect of people voting on the public
list who weren't on the private one.  They may not *know* that it's
lip-service and that their vote doesn't count.

And it still sets up what I consider to be an unfortunate situation
for the candidate.  Told that the private list has voted him for
committer, and he accepts, and then there's the pro forma public
vote, and *there* people express concern.  The candidate is now in
the position of being privately blessed but publicly vilified.

I think I prefer the private vote, acceptance by the candidate,
followed by a public announcement.  Or else a pro forma vote
which explicitly states 'only PMC members can vote.'  (Which I
don't think is a particularly community-building approach.)

I think this is a particularly likely scenario when the
voters-who-count != the project committers -- i.e., where the
PMC != the committers.  Those non-on-the-PMC committers are probably
going to feel that their votes should count -- but they won't.
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