From general-return-5336-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sat May 07 23:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 70190 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 23:05:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 May 2005 23:05:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 2762 invoked by uid 500); 7 May 2005 23:07:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2728 invoked by uid 500); 7 May 2005 23:07:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2715 invoked by uid 99); 7 May 2005 23:07:56 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from rs15.luxsci.com (HELO rs15.luxsci.com) (65.61.166.71) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:07:56 -0700 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (24-148-77-36.mart-bsr1.chi-mart.il.cable.rcn.com [24.148.77.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs15.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j47N4t3u021344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:04:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <402DCD08-CB75-4916-8B94-7605E9B99C73@optonline.net> References: <402DCD08-CB75-4916-8B94-7605E9B99C73@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Hammant Subject: Re: [VOTE]: On " PROPOSAL : Apache Harmony - J2SE 5 Project" Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:04:52 -0500 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Yeah yeah, its a confusing Saturday so far. I was -ve to start with (pointless with given size of vote so far) thinking there were some legal problems. I read more before completing the mail (rules for J2SE implementations from the OSS community) and figured that the angles had been covered thoroughly by foundation lawyers, and send the +ve vote instead (as a new mail). Unfortunately, the -ve response I drafted earlier sat beckoning me to hit send as it languished in my drafts folder. In a moment sheer impudence, and unbeknownst to my conscious mind, my right hand released it from the Mac-Mail draft folder instead of deleting it. Thus ignore the -1 mail. The thing I think is most interesting, is the possibility of writing a JVM first, for language compatibility, then an AWT toolkit and all the things that bind the Java env to a machine ( http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/awt/Toolkit.html etc). At that stage, and well in advance of the completion the J2SE libraries, an individual in the privacy of their own home could experiment with the those two and the jars taken from a regular Sun download of J2SE. Of course nothing could be distributed with those jars, nor deployed or redistributed beyond that experimental basis as Java's download license precludes that. - Paul On May 7, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On May 7, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Paul Hammant wrote: >> -1 I'm not sure the >> > > > On May 7, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Paul Hammant wrote: > >> +1 provided copyright and trademark issues are appropriately >> considered. >> > > So right now, you are at 0 :) > >> For instance, we may have to always mechanically refer the project >> and product(s) as "Apache Harmony" rather than just Harmony. >> >> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=8rlf0q.2.1 > > If we have a name problem, we change it. And yes, we refer to things > that are Apache $foo projects as Apache $foo unless we can't use $foo > for software.... > > geir > >> >> - Paul >> >> On May 6, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> >> >>> +1 >>> >>> --- Noel >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > -- > Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 > geir@optonline.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org