From general-return-5302-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sat May 07 02:25:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 87816 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 02:25:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 May 2005 02:25:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 68873 invoked by uid 500); 7 May 2005 02:28:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68766 invoked by uid 500); 7 May 2005 02:28:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68753 invoked by uid 99); 7 May 2005 02:28:45 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (HELO avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz) (210.86.15.159) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 May 2005 19:28:45 -0700 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050507022550.WJXA2892.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:25:50 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.9] ([210.86.108.139]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050507022549.LFAL4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.9]> for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:25:49 +1200 Subject: Harmony: project purpose From: Simon Kitching Reply-To: skitching@apache.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:26:35 +1200 Message-Id: <1115432795.4400.16.camel@blackbox> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, Can someone clarify for me why Harmony is being proposed when GNU Classpath, Kaffe and other projects are quite a long way to satisfying the goal of a Free Java environment? Is it: * That SUN is not expected to ever grant a free license to run the TCK for a GPL-licensed project, so the only way to get a "certified" free Java implementation is to ignore the existing GPL'd stuff and start again from scratch? * That you feel that more contributors will be involved in an Apache-licensed project than in a GPL-licensed project, resulting in a better overall end result? If so, why? * That you feel that the availability of an Apache-licensed project is important enough to duplicate all the existing GPL'd effort? If so, why? Who in particular wants an Apache-licensed implementation and can't accept a GPL'd one? * That Kaffe/Classpath are somehow flawed and that it is necessary to start again? * That because Apache is a well-respected player in the Java community that a project hosted at Apache will be so much better accepted that it is worth discarding all the Kaffe/Classpath work done so far? Regards, Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org