Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 34091 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 18:53:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 18:53:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 91032 invoked by uid 500); 12 Mar 2005 18:53:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 90974 invoked by uid 500); 12 Mar 2005 18:53:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 90954 invoked by uid 99); 12 Mar 2005 18:53:07 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from scorpio.lunarpages.com (HELO scorpio.lunarpages.com) (64.235.234.122) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:05 -0800 Received: from ip68-4-71-218.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.4.71.218] helo=[192.168.0.101]) by scorpio.lunarpages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.44) id 1DABjS-00015L-RY for general@incubator.apache.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20050312163525.038648e8@mail.qos.ch> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20050312134004.038d7ea8@mail.qos.ch> <6.0.3.0.0.20050312163525.038648e8@mail.qos.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roy T. Fielding Subject: Re: What is a healthy community? WAS: log4net 1.2.9 beta release Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:15 -0800 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - scorpio.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gbiv.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On the contrary, the rule is that you must have at least three binding +1 votes from the PMC in order to make a release of anything. I don't believe in umbrella projects, so from my perspective log4net is just one subdirectory in logging. If logging wants to take responsibility for it and logging has at least 3 people willing to +1 its releases, then I don't see how keeping it in incubator will help. If logging later loses interest in the project, then there won't be 3 +1s to do a release, the code will remain static, and we are no worse off than if that code had died within incubator. In any case, it is far more likely to gain community once it leaves incubator, so making "community" a requirement for graduating a subdirectory of an existing project is self-defeating. ....Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org