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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: What is a healthy community? WAS: log4net 1.2.9 beta release
Date Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:40:42 GMT
Niclas Hedhman wrote:

> by making sure that the project does have a community before it
> leaves the Incubator, as we have been tasked to do, we increase
> its odds for success.

> Noel, I must say that reading your comment, sounds that you
> are "power hungry" and wants to remain in control.

Of what?  Moreover, mine is just one voice.  And why would I care?  What I
do care about is the image that the ASF has cultivated.

> > > it is far more likely to gain community once it leaves incubator
> > The historical facts do not support that perspective.
> So what are the historical facts? Please present some. Which graduated
> project did not gain a wider community after graduation?

log4cxx appears to be the same three people that have been involved in it
for the past 6 months.  mod_aspdotnet does not appear to have any more
committers today than when it left.  I'm not sure what is happening with
jUDDI or JaxMe.  log4net appears to be just Nicko.  log4php appears to be
just Marco, and hasn't been touched in 9 months, as best I can tell from a
quick browse.

Lenya, Geronimo, Derby, Directory, XMLBeans, and others have been required
to develop their communities, and appear to have benefited from that

> Log4Net has a strong community. It is known as the Logging Services

If that were the case, there wouldn't be an issue.  However, in this case,
the reply was that there are issues in taking responsibility for the code,
based upon limited ability to support the language/platform.

Personally, I would hope that the incubation tagged distribution would help
to attract additional people to work on the project so that this problem can
go away.

	--- Noel

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