Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 94058 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 19:17:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2044 invoked by uid 500); 30 Oct 2004 19:17:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 1892 invoked by uid 500); 30 Oct 2004 19:17:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 67770 invoked by uid 99); 29 Oct 2004 21:29:49 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <541F4104-2725-11D9-9561-000A95D41A40@4quarters.com> References: <02e401c4b6e0$ae419680$56a13109@LANKABOOK> <4176C977.2090103@cs.indiana.edu> <299f30380410210259d8ea39e@mail.gmail.com> <056d01c4b7c4$8236d0c0$56a13109@LANKABOOK> <8D5024C6-23C7-11D9-889E-000A95D41A40@4quarters.com> <76A9EFB2-23FB-11D9-8A69-000393CC34EA@apache.org> <417A7FD5.1060708@cs.indiana.edu> <541F4104-2725-11D9-9561-000A95D41A40@4quarters.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-516335019; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: <367F61FE-29EB-11D9-80EE-000393CC34EA@apache.org> From: Paul Russell Subject: Re: Proposition: Twister WS-BPEL engine and Apache Agila Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:43:38 +0100 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-2-516335019 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Guys, On 26 Oct 2004, at 09:02, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, at 3:27 AM, Matthieu Riou wrote: >> Very practically, what is the conclusion of this discussion ? :) > Not sure if one is required. I don't think solving the TLP problem is > a good idea now because we're going to learn a lot more as time goes > on. I'm optimistic that we'll go that way at the end, but lets decide > that later. If we have enough size and strength to be a TLP, we do > it. If not, we don't. Until then, lets try and build some really > great software and a great community. > I do think that working to have BPEL implementation at the ASF is a > great idea, and while I'm 100% committed to seeing it a part of Agila, > it doesn't have to only be in Agila. For example, we could have a > BPEL engine as part of the project that can be used standalone or > inside Agila. Indeed! I might have missed some mails on this (personal infrastructure problems -- was dropping lots of mails the beginning half of this week), so forgive me if I'm covering old ground, but I'd advocate a 'test and learn' approach here -- Why don't we incubate the two projects separately for a while. It'll become obvious if they should be merged or not, and I can't see any reason why merging two projects in the incubator would be a problem? Does that seem reasonable, or am I being dumb? 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