From general-return-4404-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Oct 21 18:49:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 24362 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2004 18:49:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 18:49:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 16599 invoked by uid 500); 21 Oct 2004 18:49:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 16369 invoked by uid 500); 21 Oct 2004 18:49:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 16355 invoked by uid 99); 21 Oct 2004 18:49:01 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_SBL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: domain of matthieu.riou@gmail.com designates 64.233.170.202 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.170.202] (HELO rproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.170.202) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:48:58 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so58688rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:48:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BDkGydDu0m3dPodJFKWs8k0tJqvn34+TYZidqKH49UQ7GQ+yhA2gtmvDKYe+rd3mRvzgugfJCG/DlGvlUbzqewAMzykF6GVUd/692WYAIxj/+JUcxmuKA8AhZ1qNZUGOE0m2GrDmlSvBb/8nMYQxclG/w/dOBwvWC06osZ4RFc8= Received: by 10.39.1.38 with SMTP id d38mr110140rni; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.76.8 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:48:55 +0200 From: Matthieu Riou Reply-To: matthieu.riou@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org, heartbit@runeconsulting.com Subject: Re: Proposition: Twister WS-BPEL engine and Apache Agila In-Reply-To: <299f30380410210259d8ea39e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <02e401c4b6e0$ae419680$56a13109@LANKABOOK> <4176C977.2090103@cs.indiana.edu> <299f30380410210259d8ea39e@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N I proposed to combine Twister into Agila to avoid overlapping. I thought the main goal of Agila was to develop a BPEL engine. Now if you think it's more appropriate, I wouldn't mind contributing Twister as itself. A workflow engine and a web service orchestration engine have a bit of overlap but are usually used in different use cases, architecture and offer different features. So if Agila is meant as a workflow engine more than a web service orchestration solution, it may make sense to have two separate projects. What do everybody else think? Geir? On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:59:31 +0900, =ED=99=8D=EC=9D=98=EC=A7=84 Uijin Hong = wrote: > Here is another '+1' for having a BPEL engine inside Apache domain. > BTW, is it legitimately possible to combine Twister(which is not > proposed and review by Apache PMC) into Agila? > How about proposing contribution of Twsiter as itself? >=20 > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:24:23 -0500, Aleksander Slominski >=20 >=20 > wrote: > > Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > > > > >+1 for merging in BPEL support using Twister. > > > > > >Geir, I'd like to understand the BPEL plans for Agila a bit > > >more. I'm a co-author of the BPEL spec and have done an impl > > >of it in IBM (BPWS4J- which was released via alphaworks a while > > >back). My intuition is that a solid impl of BPEL needs to work > > >very closely with the Web service layer. AFAIK there hasn't been > > >that kind of interaction between Agila and the Axis community > > >yet. Dims and I can easily support/facilitate that! > > > > > >Matthieu- how does Twister do its SOAP, WSDL etc. stuff? Do > > >you support non-SOAP bindings? (BPWS4J used WSIF, for example.) > > > > > > > > i think Mathieu is already aware of this but current WSIF needs upgrade= ... > > http://smartcomps.kgbinternet.com/confluence/display/twister/2004/08/13= /WSIF+and+adding+bindings+to+WSDL > > > > alek > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Geir Magnusson Jr" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:20 PM > > >Subject: Re: Proposition: Twister WS-BPEL engine and Apache Agila > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>This is great. We're really interested in getting BPEL into Agila. > > >>I'll take a look. > > >> > > >>We originally decided to not go w/ BPEL as the core language, as we > > >>wanted to support all kinds of activities in a workflow, being able t= o > > >>make a workflow that mixes them. So it was planned that we'd get BPE= L > > >>support, and allow you to incorporate BPEL into a regular Agila > > >>workflow using a namespace or something. Of course, we can decide if > > >>we want to change that plan here, but I think there are some compelli= ng > > >>arguments for that kind of approach... > > >> > > >>geir > > >> > > >>On Oct 20, 2004, at 5:52 AM, Matthieu Riou wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Hello, > > >>> > > >>>I'm the project leader of Twister, an open source WS-BPEL engine. Mo= re > > >>>can be found about Twister here: > > >>> > > >>>http://www.smartcomps.org/twister > > >>> > > >>>I'm sending this e-mail to suggest a donation of Twister to the Apac= he > > >>>Group and a merge with the incubated Apache Agila project. I believe > > >>>that Twister and the Gluecode engine could be assembled to a better > > >>>solution, using the strengths of both implementations. This would al= so > > >>>be beneficial for the BPM Open Source community and would bring more > > >>>users and contributors to Agila. > > >>> > > >>>Regards, > > >>> > > >>>Matthieu Riou > > >>> > > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>-- > > >>Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 > > >>geir@gluecode.com > > >> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The best way to predict the future is to invent it - Alan Kay > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > > > >=20 >=20 > -- > Uijin Hong (=ED=99=8D=EC=9D=98=EC=A7=84) > http://runeconsulting.com/heartbit/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org