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From "Stephen McConnell" <mcconn...@apache.org>
Subject RE: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges
Date Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:08:19 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:stevenn@outerthought.org]
> Sent: 18 October 2004 10:43
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges
> 
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 02:19, thorsten wrote:
> 
> > Steven Noels wrote:
> >> Nope. What Thorsten describes looks pretty bad IMO, so I want to
know
> >> what is going on. Otherwise, this shouldn't have been posted at
all.
> >> No need to keep the dust under the carpet. And if Thorsten doesn't
> >> want to go public with it - he should post on pmc@i.a.o. Talking
> >> about the issue doesn't have anything to do with forwarding private
> >> mails to public/private lists.
> >
> > I did not want to do that because I thought we could make rules
> > against thus abuse in the future without reviewing the past. I
believe
> > in the "second change". Like Roy said "Keep in mind that mentors are
> > human
> > too and they sometimes make mistakes."
> >
> >> I will not vote on policy which makes no sense or is based on
> >> unproven facts from the past.
> >
> > I really do not see your point that this policy do not make sense!
> 
> Sure. Do you really think that establishing such a rule will refrain
> people from being human, and making mistakes? You just want a stick to
> beat them if they make a mistake? If mistakes are to be expected, and
> based on factual stuff (such as licensing, release guidelines, etc),
> I'm all +1 on establishing rules. If you want a rule that "allows" you
> to deface someone by talking to his management, I'm pretty sure you're
> looking in the wrong place. What would need to be in that rule? Public
> punishment? Having a postbox for dropping unfounded claims into? Sorry
> but I really don't understand what you want to establish with this
> discussion, other than substantiating FUD.

FUD?

Seems to me that he's talking about a very real dark-side of the ASF.  

You know - the side of Apache where certain individuals enjoy playing
with private lists, protected themselves while at same time spreading
lies, slander, and real fear.  Mix this with the incubator and you have
a recipe for abuse.  Yes - there should be a code of conduct.  Yes -
everyone should be accountable - including each and every member of the
board.  Will it happen? It seems to me a highly unlikely scenario.

Just my 0.02c.

Cheers, Stephen.




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