Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 56423 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 04:01:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 04:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 73418 invoked by uid 500); 16 Sep 2004 04:01:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 73335 invoked by uid 500); 16 Sep 2004 04:01:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 73315 invoked by uid 99); 16 Sep 2004 04:01:17 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: domain of gcaig-general@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) Received: from [80.91.229.2] (HELO main.gmane.org) (80.91.229.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:01:16 -0700 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7nSJ-0003Mx-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:01:11 +0200 Received: from adsl-68-94-50-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net ([68.94.50.93]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:01:11 +0200 Received: from vic.cekvenich by adsl-68-94-50-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:01:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: general@incubator.apache.org From: Vic Cekvenich Subject: Repost-Re: Derby code copyright question Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:05:26 -0500 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <32D5845A745BFB429CBDBADA57CD41AF071B81A5@ussjex01.amer.bea.com> Reply-To: vic.cekvenich@portalvu.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-68-94-50-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <32D5845A745BFB429CBDBADA57CD41AF071B81A5@ussjex01.amer.bea.com> Sender: news X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Jim Barnett wrote: >> >> Also, having owners assign copyrights to ASF would probably be a >> mistake. First, ASF really doesn't have the resources or (I would >> guess) the interest in enforcing copyrights assigned to it when a >> third party uses the contributed work outside the scope of the Apache >> license. Second, so long as the author/contributor retains ownership >> of the copyright, the author also retains some degree of protection >> against prospective shifts in Apache's out-bound license terms. In >> other words if tomorrow Apache decided that the FreeBSD-style license >> model was pass� and that the GPL model is preferable, as >> assignee-owner Apache could make that shift, even if the original >> contributor of the work specifically relied upon Apache's commitment >> to the FreeBSD-style model instead of a GPL model when making the >> contribution. If the original author retains ownership of the >> contribution, and were Apache to radically alter its license model in >> a way undesirable to the contributor, the contributo > > r could simply offer its original contribution via another open source > organization and/or license model more consistent with it's perceived > strategic interests. > >> >> I am very curious as to what others think about this issue, and am >> available for e-mail or phone consultation. Thank you for allowing >> me to offer my $0.02. >> >> Regards, >> >> James Barnett >> Senior Counsel >> BEA Systems, Inc. >> 408-570-8442 >> > > In general... the goal of O/S AFAIK "it's our sofware, and you can't take it away from us once you give it to us" and that is what the license should do. ASF should own it and if they chose to *not protect* it (goal is to share) or change the license, great. Else it's a slipery slope and resource intensive. .V -- Please post on Rich Internet Applications User Interface (RiA/SoA) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org